Sin and Zanarkand SPOILERS

[Jiro]

I've brought up similar topics before, but I have a different, related question: what does Zanarkand look like once Tidus leaves? Is Dream Zanarkand a persistent world? Or is it a kind of Groundhog Day?

The whole Jecht getting to Spira by falling through some temporal vortex out in the ocean while training is a bit bollocks imo but it's a satisfactory enough excuse for how he left, but the idea that Auron could just cruise through riding on Sin's back is a little bit bonkers.

[Karifean]

You know how when your Valefor dies it just takes a while (a bunch of battles) and then it's magically and instantly back to full health?

Yeah, maybe that.

[Jinx]

You bring up a really good point that's always bothered me: Jecht appearing in Spira. It's total trout.

[Carl the Llama]

You bring up a really good point that's always bothered me: Jecht appearing in Spira. It's total trout.

Maybe the fayth moved him there, like a summon.

As for the city, I think that it was as Karifean says, magically restored.

[Skyblade]

You bring up a really good point that's always bothered me: Jecht appearing in Spira. It's total trout.

Dream Zanarkand is an Aeon. It is an actual place, located far out at sea. Hecht went out to sea, and eventually wound up on Spira.

There was no "temporal vortex", nothing mystical. He just sailed out to sea and wound up in a new location.

Sin, probably while Jecht still hand some control, carried Auron there (Auron was dead anyway, so Sin wouldn't exactly do anything to him). The same way, just moving across the water.

[Goldenboko]

Skyblade has this 100% correct. There's actually a really telling line that's suppose to hint you in if you didn't put it together towards the end of FFX. Before you fight Sin's head above Bevelle, you talk with Yuna and she asks "what is Yu Yevon summoning inside of Sin?" and Tidus answers "The dream of the Fayth."

Here's an Ultimania Map that depicts Dream Zanarkand as in the middle of an Ocean:

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I just imagined that he went all Truman and kept sailing 'til he hit something.

[Sephiroth]

I don't know if a Dream becoming corporeal after being dreamed/summoned can be called "not mystical".

[Skyblade]

I don't know if a Dream becoming corporeal after being dreamed/summoned can be called "not mystical".

I didn't say there was nothing mystical about Dream Zanarkand, I said there was nothing mystical about Jecht reaching Spira. He literally just got in a boat and drifted there.

[Sephiroth]

I see. I thought the sentence with the temporal vortex was meant as overall connection for Spira and Zanarkand, not just in context with Jecht going through the vortex that does not exist. Many people think exactly that when the see the beginning and hear Rikku's story and then wonder about the whole story as it truly is.

[Crop]

Why is Jecht the only one who has ever done that? You'd think explorers would be doing it all the time.

Also, if Jecht was already just a dream of the Fayth then how could he become sin after the pilgrimage he went on?

Also, if Sin is there to protect Dream Zanarkand why the hell does he blow the crap out of it at the start of the game?

[Jiro]

Yeah, if the fayth were the only thing keeping Jecht alive, and their purpose was to defeat Sin, then surely stopping their dreaming at any point would've been fine.

[Karifean]

Yeah, if the fayth were the only thing keeping Jecht alive, and their purpose was to defeat Sin, then surely stopping their dreaming at any point would've been fine.

A fayth CAN'T choose to stop being summoned. They granted the summoner their power, and ever since then that summoner can call forth their aeon.

Bahamut's fayth asks Tidus to "let them rest, because they were tired of dreaming", remember? This very much implies they cannot simply do it themselves.

@Crop: We don't know if Jecht was the only one. The Order of Yevon has "Sin's Toxin" as a convenient excuse if anyone said they came from Zanarkand.

There's no problem with a dream of the fayth becoming a fayth themselves. Aeons are just as physically existent as anyone else, just as real as anyone else, the only (main) difference is that their existence fades when the summoning stops.

As for why Sin attacked Dream Zanarkand, the most common theory I've heard is that Jecht had enough control over Sin to make it go near it, which it generally isn't supposed to. That's when Sin's instinct to destroy machina cities came into play, and things went their course.

[Jinx]

it's dumb

[Tavrobel]

The whole Jecht getting to Spira by falling through some temporal vortex out in the ocean while training is a bit bollocks imo but it's a satisfactory enough excuse for how he left, but the idea that Auron could just cruise through riding on Sin's back is a little bit bonkers.

DZ is a physical location in Spira.

The only person in the story who thinks anyone time traveled is Tidus.

Auron is dead, which means he's literally Hitler-Madoka-Jesus and do whatever he wants. As far as Jecht is concerned, he has limited willpower through his status as Sin, so his trips to and from DZ are limited by Yevon.

Why is Jecht the only one who has ever done that? You'd think explorers would be doing it all the time.

Also, if Jecht was already just a dream of the Fayth then how could he become sin after the pilgrimage he went on?

Also, if Sin is there to protect Dream Zanarkand why the hell does he blow the crap out of it at the start of the game?

Accident. It's one of those once-in-a lifetime things. Yevon can hard-reset DZ, in the same way you would reformat a computer, which limits people in the regular Spira from finding out about it. Normally, people who drift out to sea would be killed or people would assume that the survivor is nuts; exceptions, Braska believing Jecht or Rikku letting Tidus live. Guess how those stories ended?

DZ and its population work exactly like Aeons. They're summoned, and if they're summoned, Yevon can possess them.

Jecht as Sin destroyed DZ, to fetch Tidus, as part of a plan between him and Auron, and then let Yevon hard-reset it. He has some autonomy, but not much.