Sephiroth vs. Jenova, the real mastermind discussion

[Sephiroth]

Also, Sephiroth (the EoFF member), I think you're overstating how unequivocal your evidence really is, particularly considering one of the major themes of the game is the illusion of agency.

Unequivocal is not what I want, it is what it is. The game itself tells you several lies and comes to the point were everything is explained step by step. And we all know that. Explaining something for the sake of just showing another illusion (that is never ever revealed as such) is not what the game is like. The Northern Crater only shows one new big lie (a half-truth) and that comes from no one but - guess who - the guy who twists their mind all the times and that is Sephiroth saying Cloud didn't exist 5 years and that he is a clone. That he is a "clone" (in the Compilation: guy who has JENOVA cells) is the true part that he was created is the lie. And even that is explained to be wrong. You want a direct evidence and that is one. Not accepting it means you are not accepting any evidence at all because there cannot be a thing more direct than saying it was Sephiroth's plan all along. Except you want: "By the way (breaking the fourth wall) for you guys: Sephiroth is the main villain and had the full power over JENOVA. And that is no lie as we write this for you to know the answer." You cannot expect that. As pretty much everyone you took a part of my post and ignored the rest that actually is enough to explain it. I could easily tell you the Ultimania Omega says the same thing, that Hojo found out about this after doing his research - which was why JENOVA's body was in the HQ, as he thought it initiated the Reunion - but you probably would say that the Ultimania was written afterwards and then continue to ignore the text in the game itself - which pretty much makes the whole convesation no good. My counter argument for your hypothetical case of the game generally making it hard to believe something and having the theme of illusion making it impossible to say what actually is would be, if you cannot trust anything you cannot trust the game to have this theme as well. As well as you cannot trust the things that you really like and think of as given because you don't know if it really is. But I don't need that. Things are and things are not. Believe me. This is no evil talking of me who just wants to lure you joining the dark side.