This Game Is Awful

[Dat Matt]

For the same reasons you think Snow and Hope are good characters.

People are entitled to their opinions.

My opinion is that Snow and hope are awful characters.

[MJN SEIFER]

I agree, this game is awful...ly awesome.

(SPOILER)

and the music was just a total ripoff of FFVI

Any post by someone who's been here as long as you that says this, has got to be a joke post. Nice try though.

Interestingly enough, both of those words share the same root.

Awesome - Basically just a combination of awe and some, the meaning is to inspire awe.

Awful - Similarly, a combination of awe and full, meaning to inspire tremendous awe, and be worthy of respect or fear. The same word used to describe angelic or heavenly entities by those who have seen them.

The More You Know. *shooting star*

[Psychotic]

Ashley wasn't annoying. She's one of the best escort quests ever. She'll go and come when you tell her to, she ducks whenever you point a gun any where near her, she is captured half of the game so none of the escort sections outstay their welcome...

She was a sweetheart.

oh i see

you're from opposite land

that explains everything!

[Forsaken Lover]

Maybe I'm from Correct Land and YOU are from Opposite Land.

In Correct Land, Ashley was great and everyone recognizes FFIV was the best FF.

While in opposite land you people got the numbers all screwed up and praise that "VI" instead of "IV."

It's a sorry state of affairs to be sure.

Down with VI and VII. It's time the fanbase revolts and realizes the true best FF entries.

[Psychotic]

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[Parker]

are any video games good though when you really think about it

[Sephex]

So much edge in this thread.

[Carl the Llama]

The graphics are amazing, every character has amazing backstory and in battle they are so different, it's about a bunch of heroes and super original bosses and NPCs I relate to, and the music was just a totally amazing, it clearly is the superior Final Fantasy experience.

Why it's popular, I'll never question.

Wow, this is so right, I was just thinking this, you n me are on the totes same wavelength bro.

[Bolivar]

While I have no love for FFVII because it has a half-baked plot, cookie-cutter villains hiding behind cyberpunk stereotypes to pretend to be fresh, a battle system which is hampered by some poor design choices that creep in Disc 2, and has the dubious honor of being an early 3D title meaning all the mini-games that utilize the 3D have aged as gracefully as a peach in the desert heat, but it is hardly awful. The fact it is still playable and enjoyable is a testament that it's designers sort of knew what they were doing.

The true awful titles are games like FFX which suffers from an awful plot, half-baked battle system, lousy characters, and some of the most phoned in game design to grace a PS2 RPG until Suikoden IV. We could also discuss FFXIII which steals half it's ideas from better games and then proceeds to implement them with the skill and craftmanship of a drunkard trying to piss in a toilet. It has sequels that, while they improve the gameplay front, have proven to sink the originals awful plot to "OH FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THE MOOGLES AND CHOCOBOS, PLEASE LET THIS STOP!!!".

I don't feel VII deserves half the credit it gets, but I also don't think it is an awful game as much as it is a flawed one, of which I could say about every game in the series.

I sometimes wonder how much energy it takes to hate such wonderfully fun and gorgeous games.

Anyway, it's good to know how agonizing it is for some that many people still hold FFVII as the high watermark of the series and among the classics of the genre. There can be no better proof than the various intangible and arbitrary criticisms offered in this thread.

[Slothy]

I'm not a huge fan of FFVII. It's all right for the most part, and I do enjoy it more than I really should thanks to nostalgia (and the entire start of the game in Midgar is actually quite good), but it's got a lot of flaws, and I generally agree with WK's take on it.

But that soundtrack is unassailable. One of the best in the series, hands down. And snow boarding, while objectively awful, is pretty fun just the same.

[Dark_Valentine]

interesting

counterpoint:
mukki

the defence rests.

VII is the best, haters gonna hate

[Madame Adequate]

Ashley wasn't annoying. She's one of the best escort quests ever. She'll go and come when you tell her to, she ducks whenever you point a gun any where near her, she is captured half of the game so none of the escort sections outstay their welcome...

She was a sweetheart.

Please get help.

[Shorty]

I disagree that it's awful. But I also don't understand how it's revered as one of the greatest games ever. For its time, sure, I can agree with that. For the impressions it made in thousands of people, sure. But there are so many worse games, and worse final fantasy games at that.

[Pike]

While I have no love for FFVII because it has a half-baked plot, cookie-cutter villains hiding behind cyberpunk stereotypes to pretend to be fresh, a battle system which is hampered by some poor design choices that creep in Disc 2, and has the dubious honor of being an early 3D title meaning all the mini-games that utilize the 3D have aged as gracefully as a peach in the desert heat, but it is hardly awful. The fact it is still playable and enjoyable is a testament that it's designers sort of knew what they were doing.

The true awful titles are games like FFX which suffers from an awful plot, half-baked battle system, lousy characters, and some of the most phoned in game design to grace a PS2 RPG until Suikoden IV. We could also discuss FFXIII which steals half it's ideas from better games and then proceeds to implement them with the skill and craftmanship of a drunkard trying to piss in a toilet. It has sequels that, while they improve the gameplay front, have proven to sink the originals awful plot to "OH FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THE MOOGLES AND CHOCOBOS, PLEASE LET THIS STOP!!!".

I don't feel VII deserves half the credit it gets, but I also don't think it is an awful game as much as it is a flawed one, of which I could say about every game in the series.

MLT be Pike's Exact Opposite
Nominees: Bolivar, Raistlin, Skyblade, Wolf Kanno, Vivi22

And now the revelation...

RSL...............1
Vivi22............2
Raistlin..........3
Skyblade..........6

So that leaves Wolf Kanno and Bolivar...

Bolivar............9
Wolf Kanno.........3472

And the Ciddie for MLT be Pike's Exact Opposite goes to...

Wolf Kanno!
Congrats to all the winners!

[Wolf Kanno]

I think outside of us both liking Civilization and Final Fantasy II, I can agree we are polar opposites on everything else.