Gotham

[Calliope]

Thoughts? I'm not sure what to think of Ryan as the commissioner.

[Ayen]

I heard about the premise in passing and side with those who are hesitant on how successful it can be. It isn't like Clark Kent with Smallville where a lot of the outline on how a show can work has already been laid out in Superboy comics. Gotham without Batman is basically just another crime drama on TV. How do you do it before Bruce Wayne and all of his greatest foes become who they are? It has potential, but it's going to be faced with a lot of obstacles getting off the ground.

I'm kind of surprised it's airing on FOX, though. I would have thought it'd be on The CW given that most of DC properties are owned by the WB but I could be getting the wrong idea of how that works since SHIELD is on ABC and ABC is owned by Disney. That's probably a good thing, though. Otherwise it'd be reduced to another teen drama before long.

I'll probably watch the premier if I remember it's on since the trailer does have me kind of excited.

[Aulayna]

I'm actually pretty stoked for it, although yeah it will probably take me a couple of episodes to stop thinking "oh it's Ryan from The OC"

[blackmage_nuke]

Gotham without Batman is basically just another crime drama on TV.

I assume it'll just have a lot of villain origin stories in it since most villains become villains before they run into batman. It does look pretty exciting.

[Ayen]

Gotham without Batman is basically just another crime drama on TV.

I assume it'll just have a lot of villain origin stories in it since most villains become villains before they run into batman. It does look pretty exciting.

And that has the potential to either be really great or a complete flop. I imagine there's a lot of cool things they could do if they adopt the Red Hood origin story of The Joker.

[Shorty]

I heard some talk about this on a podcast I listen to, and they actually psyched me up for it.

I actually hope the Joker/Red Hood story are not used, because I smurfing hate that story and I hate anyone who tries to explain Joker or his backstory. It defeats the entire smurfing purpose and mystery of his villainery I refuse to accept anyone's interpretation of Joker who tries to do this, especially comic spoilersas The Killing Joke comic explaining the Joker/Red Hood plot has him brutally rape Gordon's daughter. Sorry, my Joker isn't motivated by sexual desires and likely has no need for it at all.

[Ayen]

While I actually prefer The Joker's mysterious background, it seems inevitable that this show will give him a backstory to include him just because he's Batman's most popular villain and I think the Red Hood persona is at the very least worth considering if they do. But maybe the writers for this show will leave it alone.

[Colonel Angus]

The Joker's backstory should be that he was once a great Hollywood actor, who just got lazy & to pay for his courtside seats to the Lakers games, he turned to a life of crime.

[Del Murder]

They should do a Joker origin story every season, each one being completely different and with no reference to the previous versions.

This certainly has intrigue. I'm a big fan of the other DC 'origin' shows (Smallville, Arrow) so of course I'll give this a try. Will be tough to make it great without the main character, though.

[Mercen-X]

Rather than being canon to the story, they should all be flashbacks narrated by the Joker's voice.

SHIELD is on ABC and ABC is owned by Disney.

And Marvel is owned by Disney too now, hence SHIELD airing on ABC.

Also, rape doesn't need to be motivated by sexuality. Certainly, it helps, but it's not necessary.

[Ayen]

Did he rape her, though? It's never actually stated. All we know for sure is (SPOILER)he took pictures of her naked and showed them to Gordon to drive him mad.

[Mercen-X]

Now that's always been the Joker's motivation. Riddler tries to prove he's smarter, Penguin likes birds, Catwoman likes cats, Scarecrow is the avatar of fear, and Joker is the avatar of chaos and madness.

[Depression Moon]

It looks like ass and how can you have Gordon with no facial hair?

[Shlup]

I just don't know how I feel about this show. I don't like SHIELD but I like Arrow okay... Batman is my favorite super hero so I want to like it. We'll see.

[Loony BoB]

I'm not sure what to think of Ryan as the commissioner.

it will probably take me a couple of episodes to stop thinking "oh it's Ryan from The OC"

I actually feel that this role suits Ben McKenzie better than the O.C. one did.

They should do a Joker origin story every season, each one being completely different and with no reference to the previous versions.

I love this idea. They should have each Joker story carried out by a different writer. "Who is the real Joker? Are any of them the real Joker?" It basically keeps things a mystery while still allowing us to imagine different ways it could have happened (and debate them, and I feel topics that are up for debate are important in any TV series as they increase the word-of-mouth adveritising potential).

I looked up who the actors are and I have to say I'm impressed with how much Camren Bicondova looks like a young Meg Ryan. Excellent choice. In fact, all of the actors look well casted although I'm not sure about the young Bruce Wayne. Hopefully they can act impressively, too.