Shin Megami Tensei

[Jiro]

Raidou Kuzunohara vs. the Soulless Army was the first experience I had with SMT and it was pretty great. I should try and pick that up again so I can play it now that I'm familiar with SMT games.

[Mirage]

what's wrong with the designs anyway

[black orb]

what's wrong with the designs anyway

>>> Nothing, I just dont like them..

[Scotty_ffgamer]

Just picked up the PSP versions of Persona and Persona 2 Innocent Sin. They're on sale for $5 each right now on PSN which is pretty awesome. P3P is also the same price. I'll finally get to try out the older Persona games, which I'm excited about. Continuing my immersion into the SMT games, haha.

[Fynn]

Persona 1 really, REALLY sucks balls though

[Wolf Kanno]

Persona 1 really, REALLY sucks balls though

It's combat system is clunky and its plot does emulate a cheesy Sci-Fi Channel B-Movie but it did actually have a lot of cool elements I wish had remained in the series proper, such as two actual distinct story paths to choose from, multiple cast of characters that bring variety into every play-through since it's impossible to recruit all of them and much clever multiple ending branching points.

Hell, while I know most people don't like First-person dungeons, I would argue it has the best dungeon design in the series since it actually had puzzle elements and more to do in them than just wander around til you find the exit like the later games.

[Skyblade]

Persona 1 really, REALLY sucks balls though

It's combat system is clunky and its plot does emulate a cheesy Sci-Fi Channel B-Movie but it did actually have a lot of cool elements I wish had remained in the series proper, such as two actual distinct story paths to choose from, multiple cast of characters that bring variety into every play-through since it's impossible to recruit all of them and much clever multiple ending branching points.

Eh, I'm fine with being able to get the whole cast in one play. Completionist here, missing things bugs the heck out of me.

Hell, while I know most people don't like First-person dungeons, I would argue it has the best dungeon design in the series since it actually had puzzle elements and more to do in them than just wander around til you find the exit like the later games.

I loathe First-Person dungeons, but I will admit that it had stronger dungeon design than the rest of the series, and I wish they brought that aspect back (just keep it Third-Person).

[Scotty_ffgamer]

At least I already knew what I was getting into when I bought it. I can't imagine people who only played 3 and 4 going back to the first one expecting more of the same, haha.

I know it has a lot of things that I will wish was different, but I really do think I'll enjoy it despite it's shortcomings. I've been really in the mood to try some different, more old-school RPGs lately. If I don't like it, I can't really complain since it was only $5.

[Wolf Kanno]

Persona 1 really, REALLY sucks balls though

It's combat system is clunky and its plot does emulate a cheesy Sci-Fi Channel B-Movie but it did actually have a lot of cool elements I wish had remained in the series proper, such as two actual distinct story paths to choose from, multiple cast of characters that bring variety into every play-through since it's impossible to recruit all of them and much clever multiple ending branching points.

Eh, I'm fine with being able to get the whole cast in one play. Completionist here, missing things bugs the heck out of me.

This game will punish completionist, it doesn't have some of the terrible choices like non-GBA FFVI does but trying to get all the Personas is a real bitch especially since some of them are not acquired through fusion but performing certain tasks. My one piece of advice is if you are going to do the SEBEC quest first, you should get Reiji in your party.

I'm fine with a game denying you everything the first time through, because if I like the game its nice to have something to look forward to in subsequent playthroughs. Games I totally complete, I rarely ever go back to cause I've already accomplished everything.

[Mirage]

>>> PS2 is still bad news for me..

So, which consoles are not bad news for you?

[radicaledward124]

SMT are among my fave games. I have so many of them and i'm still collecting them. While the combat may not be the best thing ever it's at least for me always fun. I like the stories more than anything and I have to say that Persona 3 and 4 are among my faves of this series. I can't wait for P5 to come out next year, even though it will be on PS3. and then there's P4UAX i think that's what their calling it, P4 Arena Ultimate or whatever that looks to be fun and the Persona Q just looks cute!! Chibi character from P3 and P4!! I can't wait!

[Mirage]

at this rate, I'm thinking P5 might just get released on both PS3 and PS4, if they can cheaply port it to PS4 without losing performance.

[Wolf Kanno]

I kind a doubt it will be released for next gen, if P4 taught us anything its that Atlus isn't afraid to release their high profile games on last gen systems even though everyone if going gaga over the new stuff. Course the real issue is that the Persona team is actually pretty small (like 20 people) so a port might be a really bad idea and get mercilessly killed in reviews.

[Skyblade]

Why would having a small team have anything to do with review scores?

[Wolf Kanno]

It is more about their ability to make a half ass port for a next gen console they most likely have not really bothered to learn the ends and out of. They might do a port later but considering the ports on the handhelds they have done are using mostly the same game engine as the PS2 entries, I feel it is a safe bet they have been slow to adapt to the new tech, hence one of the reasons why Catherine was created to serve as the team's intro to using the PS3 console.

The poor reviews line comes from them, in the hypothetical situation they actually did do a PS4 port of the game to coincide with the PS3 one, it would most likely not make use of any features or even be high quality in graphics or sound to take advantage of the PS4 hardware. It would feel like a cheap PS3 port to make money and considering Atlus gets reamed for their questionable DLC as it is, the last thing they need to do it mar their reputation with a cheap port or worse, pull an SE and promise a game on one system only to turn around and delay it so they can release it on a new system properly. It just seems to me like a waste of time to try to expand a project in its closing development days to incorporate another console release and unlike SE and EA who often have hundreds of people working on games, Atlus is pretty small and really doesn't have the resources to pull it off in a way that would satisfy the fans. Hence why I would bank on it getting poor reviews, especially since games like Disgaea are often criticized by fans and critics alike for sticking to a graphic style that is two generations old now, in the face of games that have really improved on the expectations of sprite based games.

I actually expect P5 to look like a PS2 game myself. Atlus is not exactly a sensory overload specialist like SE or Konami and they have proven they don't really need to but in the early days of a console cycle, people are often expecting games that really show-off (more like verify to themselves) why the console in question is worth the money. So I don't think a port is going to make anyone happy if they can't bring something to it.