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    Can someone explain this scene to me? How are they having the same flashback? Shared delusion? Why are they seeing this? How am I?

    This scene still confuses the trout out of me.

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    There is nothing to explain per sé. Much of what Cloud remembers actually did happen the way he remembers. It is not like they really are looking into the past also, they just remember and the story expresses it that way, they don't have "the same dream as in one dream shared (memory in that case)" or anything like this but both remember the same thing at the same time.

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    No, you're not really getting what I'm asking.

    How are they having the same flashback? How have they disappeared and now there's a new backscreen, etc etc. It's trippy as smurf.
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    No, you're not really getting what I'm asking.

    How are they having the same flashback? How have they disappeared and now there's a new backscreen, etc etc. It's trippy as smurf.
    Yes, I did get that. Its just that they didn't actually disappear or anything. They are not having the same flashback. The game shows you one moment they have experienced together in the past but in your view and not one of their own views.

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    Whatever she puts in her drinks, I imagine. YOU WERE DRUGGED!

    I was going to say what Sephiroth said, but then I remembered that Tifa actually points out the well after it appears on screen so I dunno. It's Japan. They don't respect the fourth wall.

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    Artistic expression..?
    Jack: How do you know?

    Will: It's more of a feeling really.

    Jack: Well, that's not scientific. Feeling isn't knowing. Feeling is believing. If you believe it, you can't know because there's no knowing what you believe. Then again, no one should believe what they know either. Once you know anything that anything becomes unbelievable if only by virtue of the fact you now... know it. You know?

    Will: No.

    If Demolition Man were remade today

    Huxley: What's wrong? You broke contact.
    Spartan: Contact? I didn't even touch you.
    Huxley: Don't you want to make love?
    Spartan: Is that what you call this? Why don't we just do it the old-fashioned way?
    Huxley: NO!
    Spartan: Whoa! Okay, calm down.
    Huxley: Don't tell me to calm down!
    Spartan: What's gotten into you? 'Cause it sure as hell wasn't me.
    Huxley: Physical relations in the way of intercourse are no longer acceptable John Spartan.
    Spartan: What? Why the hell not?
    Huxley: It's the law, John. And for your information, the very idea that you suggested it makes me feel personally violated.
    Spartan: Wait a minute... violated? Huxley what the hell are you accusing me of here?
    Huxley: You need to leave, John.
    Spartan: But Huxley.
    Huxley: Get out!
    Moments later Spartan is arrested for "violating" Huxley.

    By the way, that's called satire. Get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToriJ View Post
    I was going to say what Sephiroth said, but then I remembered that Tifa actually points out the well after it appears on screen so I dunno. It's Japan. They don't respect the fourth wall.
    Of course she said that, you can even see them and all. That is exactly what Mercen said, artistic expression. They didn't actually see it physically.

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    I knew there was a term for it, I just couldn't remember.

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    "smurfed up" is the actual term you're looking for, torij
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    I've seen worse.

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    We're seeing an amalgam of their memories (or the objective truth, either or) but neither of them are inside each other's memories. It just makes for a far better scene than watching the two of them staring at the ceiling of 7th Heaven. The direct references like the quoted text are really smurfing weird though.

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    Show, don't tell. "Hey Cloud remember that well it was starry and we were kids and you were wearing..." isn't the best way to tell a story.

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    This scene actually never takes place and is all merely a concoction of Sephiroth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotic View Post
    Show, don't tell. "Hey Cloud remember that well it was starry and we were kids and you were wearing..." isn't the best way to tell a story.
    Fair enough. But instead of saying "Look, the well" it would've made much more sense to say "Remember the well?" and then roll into the scene from there. That would've made plenty of sense.
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    Well yeah, but then Off Course!! a lot of FFVII's phrasing is in No, Way!! well written.

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