Name a player that Real Madrid have wanted to keep that has gone for less in recent seasons. Pretty much the price range you deal with. Hell, it'd take £100m for Ronaldo, probably... but for a world class player, when you're a club that is loaded, you have to pay the premium. It sucks, but it seems like that's how we have to go unless we keep looking for Hernandez-esque deals. I mean, £16m for Rojo seems pretty much like pocket change now.Originally Posted by Psychotic
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I already did name one, Mesut Ozil. Di Maria is just this year's Mesut Ozil. They helped fund a move for the latest new shiny toy (James Rodriguez/Bale respectively). Yes, they wanted to keep Ozil as much as they did Di Maria - indeed Ozil didn't agitate for a move, unlike Di Maria. Do alarm bells not ring that they got Rodriguez for around the same as you're getting Di Maria?
I think United have now overpaid £50-60m in the past 12 months.No, they just see you coming a mile away. United are desperate and people are taking them for a ride.when you're a club that is loaded, you have to pay the premium.Doesn't matter. Still overpaid.
From all accounts I'm hearing, Di Maria is better than Ozil. But that's the media, so hey, maybe I'm wrong.
Di Maria is way more proven than Rodriguez is. xD
Either way, this is the market we have to work with. I don't think we'd have got the players for less. There aren't nearly as many bargains to get out there as you might think, especially when we are the ones forcing the moves.
Also, if Ozil didn't agitate for a move, then Real wanted to sell. You can't say Real didn't want to sell and Ozil didn't want to go and then say they sold him. Real Madrid aren't even under FFP investigation. Everyone knows they're immune. They have no need to sell unless they want to sell.
Seriously, we have to pay a premium, anyone who thinks we don't is an idiot. I'm not saying a better negotiator wouldn't chop £5m off Di Maria's price, but I am saying that we're in a situation where we the seller knows we need players and we don't have the luxury of a wide array of options. I'm confident we're still backing out of deals because we're baulking at the price (see: Hummels, possibly Vidal although personally I'd pay £50m for him, but I don't know if his knee is causing issue) and I'm sure we are saying "Look, we can go to another side and get a player for £5m less" and they are saying "so do it" rather than negotiating. There is a price set for the players we are after and it is high.
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In their last respective full seasons at Madrid: Ozil 9 goals, 14 assists. ADM's last season at Madrid, 4 goals 17 assists. Indeed, Di Maria played more games than Ozil did too. So no, Di Maria is not better and I can only assume it's Man United fans clutching at straws who are your accounts. Even if I take your argument that Di Maria is better, the question isn't "Which player is better?" it's "Is Di Maria £20m better than Mesut Ozil?" (He isn't)
And yeah Di Maria is more proven than Rodriguez is. But then... why would Real Madrid sell a better player in Di Maria to buy an inferior player in Rodriguez? 'cause Di Maria is yesterday's news. Two equally gifted footballers, but only one can shift shirts. Who is worth more? Rodriguez is valued more, and that's what I'm driving at here. He's worth more but you paid the same.
No, United don't have to pay a premium. Yes, they're asked for a premium in many cases but they're mugs if they choose to pay it. I have repeatedly drawn comparison to MUFC and LFC so let's do that again. When LFC fell out of the CL, the club thought it had to pay a premium and so spent £Embarassing on players like Carroll and Downing. Now, while United has a larger budget than Liverpool usually, I am sure we can agree that this Summer, everyone knows Liverpool are smurfing rolling in it following the Suarez sale and the return of CL football - more than £100m is available that wasn't last season. So surely that means people want to take all of the moneys? Well, we just paid £12m for a Spanish international left back despite his club wanting £20m. Compare that to United who paid £30m for an English international left back. Indeed, Milan wanted £30m (seriously) for Balotelli at the start of the Summer and now it's £16m. There's value out there if you're not going to be a smurfing mug about it.
£5m knocked off? Try £20m. Oh, and I don't know about Vidal but Hummels doesn't want to touch Man United.
We'll never know with Hummels, he made no noise either way. To make no noise at all tends to nudge towards "is interested". Vidal was supposedly interested but also doesn't mind staying with Juventus (doesn't want to break the bond he has with Juventus fans by asking to leave).
As for prices, well, United only spent £4m for an international defender than you did. These things happen. You also spent a lot of cash for many players over the years as you've pointed out. So do all clubs in the end. You can look at the Torres/Carroll deals and call them flops, but what if they had worked out similar to how Ronaldo worked out for Real Madrid? They could have been steals. Yes, I consider the Ronaldo sale a steal for Real Madrid. Wish we'd sold him for more! I consider Rio at £30m a steal for us. But I digress, the only thing that can justify a price in the end is what happens after the buy, so we'll all just have to wait and see, and for our own teams, just hope it works out.
I do see £16m as reasonable for Rojo. I can see Di Maria at £56m-73m (the numbers are going up and down like crazy) being justified given we needed a world class talent and he was one of the only ones available that was willing to head to a CL-less team. Herrera and Shaw are similar for me to Di Maria in that I'll need to wait and see.
Overall we'll just have to disagree regarding what prices can and can not be obtained.
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Those are your champions right there. As much of a cliche as it is, Jovetic is like a new signing and is incredibly good. Have not seen a team do that to Liverpool in a long time. Phenomenal team.
Was the game as even as the stats (goals aside, obviously) suggest? Because the first thing I checked was possession & shots etc. and Liverpool equalled them in possession and got more shots in (admittedly less on target), so your post suggesting domination by City leaves me wondering.
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The stage is set for based Balotelli.
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The title is City's to lose I think, it's only really Chelsea who can mount any sort of challenge and I don't think it'll be a close one.
On a slightly related subject Bet 365 gave great odds on a City win last night at 1.85, that was easy money made.
smurf me, MK Dons are balls deep in Man United. It's not just the kids, there have been seven full internationals playing for United tonight. What the trout is going on? Even Moyes did well in the Carling Cup. I can't even mock at this point. Reading RedCafe makes me feel slightly sad rather than gleeful.
THIS NEVER HAPPENED.
But seriously, bloody hell, I wonder how long LVG is gonna take to get this 3-5-2 thing working. It's horrible. How this is supposed to be better than 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 with crappy wingers is beyond me.
EDIT: Just to rub salt in the wounds, Macheda scored twice tonight. What the hell. xD
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-shock-4113565
From bad to worse. I can mock again now: lmao.
PS: Make it £25m Woodward and we have a deal. Actually, better make it £30m - after all, unlike Herrera at least he's an international. Throw in De Gea too while you're at it.
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To be fair, Allen is better than a few of our midfielders, easily. But I would be stunned if this was a real thing being considered. No chance. See: Heinze. Only in that case it was because Heinze and his agent were an idiot. I really would be surprised if this were anything but a journo looking for a sensational headline. But then, I suppose we've been surprised before.
Over at the Caf, it hasn't even warranted a transfer thread. Methinks if someone did make the thread, it'd end up closed pretty quickly.
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Wait, Daniel, you're a RedCafe user? Like, not in an ironic "Ha ha ha look at all of these crazy people" kind of a way? Christ alive. Come on mate. They're utterly bonkers.
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