Quote Originally Posted by Psychotic View Post
Diamond is two CMs, a DM and an AM. Standard 4-4-2 is LM, RM and usually two CMs (you could theoretically have a DM or whatever in there but we're splitting hairs). To show you the difference, if you look again at the Liverpool formation, you can't really say Allen and Henderson are wingers - they both play fairly centrally.
Yeah, like I said, it's just the FM player in me. I just play "count the midfielders", because that's what FM does. You can have a lot of different 4-4-2's in that game. =]

Also perhaps, but let's note that 4-3-3 and 3-5-2 doesn't require your central 3 to be as good as your central 2 in a 4-4-2, owing directly to the numbers game.
Depends, really. I would say that the 3-5-2 has shown us just how bad our midfield are, compared to last season where we still managed to get by. But then, I've yet to really see 3-5-2 with United players that genuinely understand 3-5-2. Perhaps it will grow on me once our players are settled into it, but I just really miss three at the back. 3-5-2 also probably works a lot better when you have actual wingbacks. Valencia is alright, but Young is just so freaking bad in defence. He can concede fouls as a winger, but conceding fouls as a wingback is a recipe for free kick practice for the opposition. Also, Touré and Febregas are hardly box to box these days. Both are attacking midfielders.

Also also, I SAID it helped your point you Borini xD It straight up called out Vidic on smurfing up which agrees with what you said
Ohhhh, sorry. Misread.

EDIT: Genuinely unsure where you guys are getting this information regarding Herrera being incapable of playing box to box. I wasn't aware you guys had watched him play loads of games? I mean, even WhoScored seem to write out his strengths as defence + attack (actually his defensive contribution tends to be high). Every game he played in pre-season he was running around like a madman, tackling, passing, shooting, the works. Dropped deep, loves to tackle, harried opposition, chased down the ball, tackled, got ball, ran with the ball, made passes, occasionally shot, etc.