I too yearn for the birth of mutated brahmin cows and the creation of supermutants ^_^ Irradiated water is probably tastey too
I too yearn for the birth of mutated brahmin cows and the creation of supermutants ^_^ Irradiated water is probably tastey too
I finally finished an entire playthrough of Fallout 3 today for the first time ever. It was the biggest disappointment of my life.
It's better with Broken Steel. But then that shouldn't have had to be DLC in the first place.
Yeah that is probably my biggest complaint with the game. But with Broken Steel it makes that all better. And since all of you NV fanboys hate 3 so much, NV sucks. I can't stand the map and Vegas is so little and just meh. It's like the size of Megaton when walking around. I played it through once beat it and have never and will never play it again. As for 3 I have put several hundred hours into that.
If you're counting NV as just The Strip - which I don't, because it also encompasses Freeside, McCarran and the surrounding ruins held by the Fiends - it's still twice the size of Megaton even excluding the large casino interiors.
I don't get why the size of one particular area is important anyway though if I'm honest.
Indeed. Even if Megaton was bigger (which it's not) it's still a town with next to nothing to do built around an unexploded nuclear bomb which we're expected to believe is still functional after 200 years and that radiation leaking from the nuclear material inside wouldn't be a problem.
Megaton is probably one of the more nonsensical places in a game filled with things that don't really make sense if you stop and think about them.
And no offense, but I'm always a bit surprised that people can put several hundred hours into that game. There isn't even that much content in it. And the content that is there doesn't present nearly as many unique completion options as New Vegas did. I guess if you like it you could put a lot of hours into playing and replaying it, but otherwise there's nothing to support that amount of playtime.
I liked 3 more. I didn't like NV too much for a few reasons, but mostly because it didn't feel very post apocalyptic - or at least not AS post-apocalyptic as 3-, and I couldn't get away from either the NCR or CL or people asking me what I thought of them....I don't like either of them alright!
I also like speaking to most of the factions in NV was just to get them to eventually pick a side in the final battle at the dam, which was easy enough without them anyway. I liked 3 because it had so many different places separate from the main story (Republic of Dave, Tenpenny tower, Andale etc.).
I've put dozens of hours into both games. Probably 60-70 in each. There's plenty of content and exploration fun to be found in both imho. Just the world building, narrative and choices in 3 aren't as great. Though the DLC - Point Lookout and The Pitt specifically - do all of that very well.I'm not a fan of either organisation either, but there are just as many options to go against these organisations and choose entirely different outcomes away from both of them. You compare that to 3 and you don't have any choice. Well. I guess it's Brotherhood of Steel or don't beat the game.Originally Posted by Crop
Also there's also plenty of areas outside of those factions too. The Strip for one, but also Fort Nellis, the wonderful REPCONN factory, all of the vaults, etc.
Well, to be honest, 3 is the odd man out as far as setting goes. Even ignoring the shift to the east coast as opposed to the west with the earlier games, its version of the post-apocalypse is pretty inconsistent with what was established before. Granted, I wouldn't expect them to have necessarily had organizations like the NCR in Washington. Part of the point of jumping across the continent should be to let you explore new factions and areas that were never touched on before. But for some reason Bethesda thought that 200 years after the bombs dropped the world would pretty much be the exact same as immediately after the bombs dropped: most of civilization destroyed, a few rag tag groups trying to survive with no real re-establishment of any sort of civilization, everything being severely irradiated because apparently nuclear fallout never actually clears itself up (radioactive hotspots from nuclear fallout would stop being a major problem in less than a decade, to say nothing of 200 years later. The amount of radiation around the capital wasteland is just absurd both in the real world, and the Fallout universe).
To be fair they did explain it by saying the East Coast took a troutload more bombs than the West. I know, science and all that, but then there's a hell of a lot of things that don't make sense in Fallout and sometimes you have to suspend your disbelief - which is why you can still get Dandy Boy Apples in abandoned fridges. The gameplay sometimes takes precedence over the narrative.
It's supposed to be a real city I guess, and it just didn't feel like one to me. And obviously it's bigger than megaton since it had a few sections but, it still felt very small to me. The map in general felt very small to me.
and uh, It's been two decades since Chernobyl and ain't no body going to be living around there anytime soon. so I don't see how things being irritated in D.C. 200 years after being bombed wouldn't make some sense. While yes many of the isotopes in nukes degrade rather quickly, there is still left over trout that effects births and whatnot. Add no governments or large groups of useful people to help fix things and clean things up and the radiation is going to stay for awhile.
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Yes, it's tragic that Hiroshima remains a desolate wasteland filled with mutants even so far down the line.
A nuclear meltdown isn't the same as a nuclear bomb. Also, wildlife isn't doing too terribly in chernobyl today. Animals live long enough to reproduce, and their offspring do too.
It's supposed to be a real city I guess, and it just didn't feel like one to me. And obviously it's bigger than megaton since it had a few sections but, it still felt very small to me. The map in general felt very small to me.
and uh, It's been two decades since Chernobyl and ain't no body going to be living around there anytime soon. so I don't see how things being irritated in D.C. 200 years after being bombed wouldn't make some sense. While yes many of the isotopes in nukes degrade rather quickly, there is still left over trout that effects births and whatnot. Add no governments or large groups of useful people to help fix things and clean things up and the radiation is going to stay for awhile.
everything is wrapped in gray
i'm focusing on your image
can you hear me in the void?
No amount of modding can fix Fallout 3. The story is on rails and does not change. It doesn't matter how nice you are to the enclave and evil you are to the brotherhood, it is the same. The story does not incorporate a lot of the world into it either. New Vegas was masterful in that you were free to explore and discover new stories and do things your way. Piss someone off? Kill them...they actually die and anything they might have done or affected is taken into account.
The best aspect of all of this is how it is fully realized in the ending. To me, there is no good or bad ending in New Vegas, only shades of grey. Some of what happens is bad in all endings and there is good in all endings. This allows for a full expression of the player's actions through out the entire game.
I can safely say that I am very hesistantantly looking forward to Fallout 4 but I don't think Bethesda has any clue how to do what Obsidian accomplished with New Vegas. They should just try to buy Obsidian so they can take over and move Fallout in a different direction away from The Elder Scrolls franchise. FYI, I thought most of Skyrim was a step backwards from New Vegas with more railroaded story and what not.
I've heard it said of Skyrim that it's a mile wide and an inch deep. You could perhaps say the same for Fallout 3.
That being said, Fallout 3 is better for exploration, but New Vegas is better for story based interaction with the world. Fallout 3 probably has more and better locations, but it's a set of disconnected set pieces. I found it interesting that Crop liked that, but in reality if you did live in a warzone like that, all the talk would be of NCR vs Legion. Or indeed what the Enclave and BoS are doing in the case of Fallout 3.
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