Well Sephiroth actually needed to free you as you were kind of integral to his plan and he could mind control you any time he pleased.
Well Sephiroth actually needed to free you as you were kind of integral to his plan and he could mind control you any time he pleased.
Not really, he had the other clones to do his bidding and Jenova, he only strung the party along to toy with Cloud for hurting his pride, Cloud really wasn't all that important to the plan except to get petty revenge.Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
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I would sincerely love to see one of the Clones trying to solve the Puzzle in the Temple of the Ancients. They can barely walk and talk, let alone figure out that whole deal.
Of course revenge was a factor but Cloud was leaps and bounds more useful than any of the others.
Sephiroth would have just controlled the clone, and then sacrificed it(much like Cait did to the animal body).
Besides, even after that Sephiroth has plenty of chances to kill Cloud, but just toys with his mind instead. Sephiroth is the master of plot induced stupidity.
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You all do recall that several of the clones died en route to the Northern Crater, right? At least one died in the Temple and several more fell around the Whirlwind Maze and I think a little before.
They were just the survivors of Nibelheim - ordinary peons. Cloud may not have been a SOLDIER but he's obviously very strong. If my plan hinged entirely on a guy getting a magic rock to me I'd want that guy to be as powerful as possible. He's certainly more trustworthy than Nibelheim NPC #8.
Sephiroth probably didn't give a trout how many of them survived, because his arrogance is one of his defining character traits. It honestly wouldn't occur to him that having more clones on his side would be beneficial to him.
Like I said, this doesn't even matter. Sephiroth had ample oppurtunity to kill Cloud after obtaining the black materia. Yet, chose not to.
The creators have even stated that Sephiroth doesn't even put forth any effort when fighting Cloud. This is after he was previously defeated as well. Dumbest villain ever.
"Repent your sins through death!" - Ramirez - Skies of Arcadia
Well yeah, there were two that actually made it to him and he proceeded to kill themcasually. My point wasn't that he cared about their lives but he cared that they had a high probability of making it to him with the Black Materia. Cloud had the highest probability of making it to Northern Crater with the Black Materia.
This is all besides the point because Sephiroth's Plan worked. He left Cloud alive and broke his mind and summoned Meteor. The final stage of his plan failed sure but his reasoning up to that point was solid and paid off.
He only gets the Black Materia in Northern Crater. Immediately after this he makes his barrier and starts restraining Holy. He had no chance to go after Cloud.Like I said, this doesn't even matter. Sephiroth had ample oppurtunity to kill Cloud after obtaining the black materia. Yet, chose not to.
His plan failed. He didn't destroy the Planet and rule over it whatever pseudo-mystical babble he went on about for most of the game. And it failed directly because of his own stupidity; he was so arrogant that he honestly did not believe Cloud's party would be able to stop him. This is his own failure, and it is directly his fault.
This is in direct contrast to, say, Kefka, whose plan of absorbing the source of magic and gaining power over the Statues went off without a hitch. Kefka did later develop the plan to "destroy everything" and "create a monument to non-existence", but this only occurred after he spent a year ruling over everything as a god and found that it was boring.
Sephiroth can control Cloud like a puppet at that point. He could literally force Cloud to impale himself if he chose too. Even at the end, he can control the bodies of your entire party. It takes them at least a minute to break free of his control, and he just stands there.He only gets the Black Materia in Northern Crater. Immediately after this he makes his barrier and starts restraining Holy. He had no chance to go after Cloud.
The creators have even stated that Sephiroth doesn't exert any effort on Cloud. O_o
So yeah, it is unreasonable to bash Kuja for doing something that Sephiroth and most FF villains do. Sephiroth just takes it to a ridiculous level.
"Repent your sins through death!" - Ramirez - Skies of Arcadia
His plan failed because Shinra made a giant smurf-off cannon that broke the barrier around Northern Crater. Cloud and friends never could have gotten anywhere near him if not for this random factor that neither side counted on.
Sephiroth manipulated the Jenova Cells in Cloud. Jenova Cells only control the weak-willed and weak-minded. SOLDIERs all have Jenova Cells in them but they aren't gibbering messes like the Nibelheim survivors and that's because Jenova Cells only prey on the weak. Cloud, when he was denying his past and running away from reality, was perfectly vulnerable to Sephiroth's manipulations. Once he gets out of the Lifestream though he had put his mind back together and was more determined than he had ever been in his life. Sephiroth no longer had a hold on him and that's really the entire point of the final battle between Sephiroth and Cloud. It showed Sephiroth no longer had any hold on Cloud's mind or spirit.
That's for AC I think.The creators have even stated that Sephiroth doesn't exert any effort on Cloud. O_o
Sephiroth's control powers are directly related to his will power and he can influence people no matter what. The ex SOLDIER selling stuff in Junon also reacted to the JENOVA cells. The only reason for the Nibelheim clones to be sacrificed for Jenova Synthesis is because they had a little more plot relevance and were already presented as black-robed people from the very beginning. Something even the ex SOLDIER started to wear later. Sephiroth, the guy with the most powerful will which is his greatest weapon, controlling JENOVA cells gives him a great variety of options and is not as limited as when JENOVA cells no longer work for Zack because of his operations and a good will and do not start attacking him.
Also, while it is more a thing of "for the sake of the plot" Sephiroth not killing Cloud can at least be explained other than the mistakes of other villains because, even though he held a big grudge he was in a state of awakening when he first shapeshifted JENOVA's body. He did not even remember Cloud properly when meeting him on the Cargo Ship as he was in a constant meditation in the mako crystal of the Northern Crater, regenerating his body and absorbing energy so he with his consciousness projected in JENOVA's body was not able to remember the guy he hated so much at this point.
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Even at the end, he can control the bodies of your entire party. It takes them at least a minute to break free of his control, and he just stands there.
Sephiroth has the entire party completely helpless(they even felt like they were being ripped apart), and does nothing at all.
Yes, it is. Does that matter though? Sephiroth is still the worst victim of plot induced stupidity. He messes up over and over again, while most of the other villains only screw up once.That's for AC I think
"Repent your sins through death!" - Ramirez - Skies of Arcadia
That is because it is not necessary to say something about it as it is true. The power he showed before the final battle is his psychic power, his telekinesis.
Exactly dude. He could have easily wrecked the party if he chose to, but didn't.
Thus you can't single out Kuja for plot induced stupidity, when pretty much every FF main villain does things like that. Sephiroth being the worst offender.
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