Has the image of video game characters changed

[tony12]

It means everything if he says he planned it, no matter if that was from that point on or before. They have the rights, they decide. And he said, they didn't want it to be to obvious but also not top subtle so the kiss alone as well as the comment about "an idea" might technically not be unequivocal but everything together is. He wanted it to be like that and that says everything.

Well you can believe that if you wish. If they never intended Ellie to be gay in the first game though means that she likely wasn't gay in the first game. As good as storytelling as naughtydog did with the original game they sure stunk up the roof with the dlc anyhow. They virtually made the same story that they had already told in the comics. If they hinted at anything in the first game it was that Ellie and Sam were becoming quite fond of one another and that Ellie made a joke about Bill.


They should have taken a page from 400 Days and told a completely original story that would be completely new to the people paying for it (not just 10% new).

That has nothing to do with believing and one day you will have to accept it. My legal and intellectual property is bound to my rules and no matter if others like it, they cannot decide about it. That counts for every person who owns something, no matter if intellectual or not. Also, as much as others do, you only chose to read what you wanted because my posts even included her to probably not have been a lesbian at first. That still does not change the fact that it is their brand and they can write and retcon what they want. Retconning will make her a lesbian at that time though as well. They own the brand, they own the right. And what they say about the world is true. You simply didn't want her to be a lesbian which is why you started the argument in the first place. If I had said "I just thought she is" you would have said "she isn't" and now with me using a creator comment you still cannot accept it.

Sephiroth let's just hope that with Neil's personal opinions on the ending of the game that a Last of Us 2 never gets made or that they just don't follow through with his personal opinions. Let's just be glad that Neil views it as being wiser to leave things open to interpretation than to throw his own personal opinions into the games.

You are struggling against axiomatic things. Creators don't have just "personal opinions" about their game and cannot do anything about it but only thinking as if it is a possibility just as fans can; it is exactly the opposite. If they decide it to be, it is. Just as Albus Dumbledore was declared to be gay and so he is or was until he died. Create something and then let someone complain about you stating something or retconning something of your own work. It does not matter what the others say. You have the right to do so and what you say is more than just an opinion if you make it that way and Left Behind made it as canonical as possible. Neil does not "leave it open to interpretation". He wanted it. It is. And if Ellie later gets attracted to men even though she is interested in girls, she gets attracted to men. Or if they want to retcon something they can do. It is that simple. They decide, not we. And I don't hope anything because I have no problem with her liking girls.

Sephiroth I think it is time you drop the gay thing. This thread wasn't meant to imply rather or not Ellie was gay but instead you decided to focus in on it. Please go talk about that kind of stuff with someone else.