I enjoy difficult games. I like being challenged. Sometimes I have a hard time understanding why not everyone likes being challenged. It's especially frustrating for me when I'm rooting for someone and then they give up. So I'm trying harder for them than they are willing to try for themselves. I say all this knowing that I am the one in the wrong and I shouldn't expect other people to feel the same way as I do about being challenged this way by games. I do think that a person shouldn't give up immediately, but I realize there comes a point when it really just isn't fun anymore. I think, for people like me, that point is either non-existent or so far off it might as well be, and that's great for us/me, but it isn't/can't be/shouldn't be that way for everyone else. Especially when we're talking about entertainment. The point here is (primarily!) fun. So if it's not fun, it's not fun, plain and simple. You can't force people to have fun (however much I wish I could!).