What Did You Think of FFVIII's Love Story?

[Pumpkin]

I thought it was a very sweet and believable story but I know a lot of people disagree with me on that one

[LunarWeaver]

It always seemed kind of abrupt to me. He's really irritated by this manic pixie girl until he's just not anymore, like puberty slammed into him all at once or something. I thought Zell's love for hot dogs was the real deal. It was very touching.

[Forsaken Lover]

On the one hand, my playthrough of the game showed me Squall can be a pretty nice guy. On the other hand, it was definitely too sudden come the start of Disk 3.

Overall I have no strong opinion apart from the fact I really like the Ragnarok Scene.

[Spooniest]

Is a good story, one of my favorites

But the whole "Squall is suddenly in love w Rinoa cuz she's dead" thing is waaaaaay forced. Hehe.

[Ayen]

I liked it. Didn't feel forced at all.

[escobert]

I'm actually replaying VIII again for the first time in a long time. I'm just at Timber.

The thing that bugged me the most of the it all was the orphanage stuff. Otherwise I liked the story.

[Wolf Kanno]

Didn't really have much of an opinion on it. It wasn't the worst I've seen in a game but it certainly wasn't the best either. Then again I don't feel Final Fantasy has ever handled love stories really well only VI and VII came close and both of them have side elements that make them more interesting than they should be.

I still interpret the game's theme of Love to more ambiguous and deal with different types of love besides romantic.

[MJN SEIFER]

I loved it, I'll never get why people found it sudden because it looked like it developed over time, and even in the scenes where Squall could be viewed as being somewhat irritated by her (which was mostly at Timber and he didn't even seem that irritated, it looked pretty like much a quick pre-love based fighting). Even as early as Deling when he saves Rinoa from the Ignuions there is definitely somethign there, like he wants to be comforting, but having been, well... Squall for so long it's difficult - he doesn't know how to deal with his feelings yet. He's holding back.

In disk 2 they are brought closer, and you really need to read Squall's thoughts as well for this (am I the only one who does?) you can see from them that he is falling for Rinoa, but he can't do anything about it because he knows he's not supposed to be loved in anyway - it just ends, so there's no point, so he forces himself not to be in love, but he is. The reason he becomes more open when Rinoa falls into a coma, is because it sinks in that losing her will hurt either way, because he does care about her, and it's stupid of him to pretend he doesn't, it's not that he suddenly cared, he did for a long time.

I think FFVIII is a game for people who have attention to detail, it's like how so many people say that there were no hints towards the orphanage connection, but there were hints throughout, and they purposely made them only obvious after you played the game - it was a Sixth Sense kind of foreshadowing.

[Bright Shield]

^Disagreed.

Nothing Squall ever said or thought even slightly pointed to him being head over heels in love with Rinoa. It literally goes like this.

Beginning of disc 1: This girl is hot, let's dance.

Most of disc 1: This girl is nothing but an annoying burden.

Disc 2: She's annoying, but ok I guess.

The VERY end of disc 2: Why should I waste my time saving her? I have other priorities. She's no more important than any of the others. You do it Zell.

The VERY beginning of disc 3: I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT HER!!!!!!!!!! I'D DIE FOR HER IN AN INSTANT!!!!!!!!!!!

Me: No... just no.



The Orphanage Twist wasn't foreshadowed either. Hell, the GFs causing memory loss was just a convenient Deus Ex Machina to cover up the fact that it's never foreshadowed. Notice how the memory loss thing is never brought up before or after this "twist" is revealed. Not to mention, that they don't even really cause memory loss. It's like their memories(of that single thing) were placed into a folder, and all immediately come back once Irvine brings this up.

It was just poorly written any way you look at it.

[Uchu]

My first playthrough I didn't think anything of it, but on my recent playthrough I thought it was stupid and forced, not as much as some other RPG's though.

However, I now appreciate much more about Squall's character and found him quite funny in some situations, but the love stuff to me is just ridiculous and makes zero sense, typical anime trope.

Best love in FF involves Locke and Celes. It was never explicitly said, but it was there or at least open to the possibility and interpretation. FFVIII was suddenly BAM in your face.

EDIT: Bright Shield, just to play devil's advocate here, the memory loss thing was mentioned in a few locations during the beginning of the game, including the terminal you use in the class room. I think it's a silly plot convenience, but just wanted to say that it is mentioned.

[Bright Shield]

^Yeah, but they all forget the EXACT same thing, and nothing else. Nor do they lose any other memories as the game goes on. The fact that all of their memories instantly return as soon as Irvine brings the past up, is further proof that this was a poorly written deus ex machina.

[MJN SEIFER]

I'll do a better response when I have more time, and a more clear head, but think of this as a short preview.

There were things that pointed to Squall falling in love with Rinoa, and I will gather up scenes that proved this. You have to look at dialogue, thoughts, and expressions. It is there, and I will find the scenes to prove them to you.

The Orphanage thing was foreshadowed throughout, but they disguised it. It was like the twist in The Sixth Sense, or Final Destination 5 where there are hints to the twist throughout, but you only notice they are hints until after you know the twist, which is better than just simply having everyone say "Hey, do I know you?" because it takes away the impact.

As well as the mention of GFs affecting memory on that internet thing, there are more direct storyline examples;

Irvine clearly expects a reunion when he his first introduced to your party, but assumes they are not the same people when they don't recognize him.

Squall reacts to Edea's name as though he has heard it before.

Irvine can't shoot Edea because he knows who she really is, but forces himself to (the whole "I'll go down in history" is most likely an excuse).

The team all seem to just know how each other will react, even in the scenes where it is obvious they have only just met.

Ellone obviously knows who Squall and Quistis are.

There is a hint of regret when Edea injures Squall at the end of disc one.

I am sure there are others, but I am sure I will think of more in the "superior" version of this post.

Also, they didn't all forget the same thing; if you watch the orphanage scene, you will see that each of them forgot and remembered different things. Zell remembered the fireworks before anyone else, Squall didn't remember Irvine at all. Selphie has a vague memory of a GF back then. Only Zell forgot he was in an orphanage... they all had different memories lost.

I think the only thing wrong with it is that there had to be a reason for it, when they could have easily has just said "It was years ago, so we forgot". It was understandable to give Cloud a reason to forget in FFVII because it was more recent, and more of an impact on his life, as it was "My idol destroyed my hometown and killed my friends and family" rather than just "this is who I hung out with, when I was about eight", and even then they didn't have to use storyline stuff to erase his memory - they could have easily said that it was so traumatic he forgot everything.

Sorry, I know this isn't the best response, but it was foreshadowed as was Squall's love for Rinoa.

[supernaps]

i always thought that squall liked rinoa from the beginning, but was more annoyed at himself for liking her and his inner thoughts reflected that in a reverse way, lol

it was a nice love story with lots of bickering, denial, acceptance etc etc all those ingredients that make it interesting; certainly up there in the top FFs romances.

[Bright Shield]

Hmm... I'll concede that some good points were made here.

Also, they didn't all forget the same thing; if you watch the orphanage scene, you will see that each of them forgot and remembered different things. Zell remembered the fireworks before anyone else, Squall didn't remember Irvine at all. Selphie has a vague memory of a GF back then. Only Zell forgot he was in an orphanage... they all had different memories lost.

While it's true that they didn't forget the exact same things, it's pretty convenient that they all remembered nothing of the orphanage, until Irvine brings it up. Not to mention, that the whole "memory loss" thing is still pretty poorly done.

Why do they all instantly remember once one person brings an event up? If the GFs truly erased memories, then they should be permanently gone.

i always thought that squall liked rinoa from the beginning, but was more annoyed at himself for liking her and his inner thoughts reflected that in a reverse way, lol

And I can possibly buy him "liking" her.

I cannot buy him being willing to jump into space for her with virtually no chance of survival(the Ragnarok being there was more poor writing).

Again, even if all the pieces were in place. It was still insanely rushed, and jarring to many players because of this.

certainly up there in the top FFs romances.

Which isn't saying much, lol. Still, I'd say that IX easily trumps it in this regard. Better writing and all.

[MJN SEIFER]

(the Ragnarok being there was more poor writing).

Do you mean that it "happened to be where they were"? I can sought of agree with you, though it was explained why it was in space, but I get what you mean.

While it's true that they didn't forget the exact same things, it's pretty convenient that they all remembered nothing of the orphanage, until Irvine brings it up.

Everyone except Zell remembered that they were in an orphanage, they just didn't remember who the other kids were (Irvine did), at the very least Selphie and Quistis remembered the orphanage, and you would assume Squall did as well, seeing as his main memory is that he was "alone". He remembers not having parents anyway.

Why do they all instantly remember once one person brings an event up?

Because that is how memory works, the slightest thing can bring a long forgotten memory to the surface without warning. That's how it works.

If the GFs truly erased memories, then they should be permanently gone.

Because memory is never really "gone". I realize that the fact that they use a fictional plot-device to erase memory in this (same with FFVII), but I would assume that real-life logic still applies, and that forgotton memories are never gone, they are just stored away. What we remember is what is on the surface, and once something else is brought to the surface, we remember that, and sometimes even that isn't perfect. It all depends on the memory.