Saw it yesterday and I liked it simply because having five armies fight at a time is pretty epic. I didn't like how it ended though because it dragged on way too long. That and also how odd it was how the dwarves were so op.
Saw it yesterday and I liked it simply because having five armies fight at a time is pretty epic. I didn't like how it ended though because it dragged on way too long. That and also how odd it was how the dwarves were so op.
well since the fighting in the lotr movies is literally their worst quality i dont think ill be seeing this anytime soon
I enjoyed it a lot I have to say! I didn't give a trout about the Kili-Tauriel love thing though. Thorin & Bilbo were magnetic in their scenes.
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I didn't mind that. I always felt the dwarves are overlooked in these kinds of stories so it was nice to see them kicking ass for a change.Originally Posted by Shiny
Now that my car is working again we finally got to see this. I was expecting a war crime or an atrocity based on the responses in this thread but you know what? It wasn't too bad. I mean, look, it's not Lord of the Rings by a long way but it wasn't Attack of the Clones bad either.
I absolutely loved the art direction and music scoring. smurf me, I even enjoyed Tauriel and Kili just because I really like their love theme.Well, enjoyed is a strong word. Tolerated.
I don't think "it's just a load of fighting" does the movie justice. I thought the bit before the fighting where you have all these power struggles over Erebor was the best part of the movie. It was really tense and intense at the same time. I have read the Hobbit and know what happens, but it still felt like there was going to be a huge siege against it by the Elves and Men.
On the whole I really enjoyed the action. I don't mind ridiculousness and fantasy and enjoyed the pig and the rams and trolls bashing into things. Legolas and the falling bridge was stupid though yeah, and the "oh I wonder if he's really dead beneath the ice!" thing was lame.
I think Aragorn-lite is a poor description of Bard and doesn't do the character justice. I really liked him as a charismatic man of the people in both this and DoS. He's been put in a difficult position as leader unexpectedly and he's doing a top notch job of it. I didn't care for his kids a great deal as character, but I cared because he cared, if that makes sense, I care because I care about him. Alfred was also a surprise, I was not expecting him to get so much screen time but I thought he was a good piece of comic relief, Thernadier-style.
The one thing I didn't like was the ending. I mean, I liked what was there, don't get me wrong, I just didn't like what wasn't there. I can't comprehend the "too long" complaints. What?No! Not long enough! It seems Jackson took the LotR ending criticism to heart. There was no resolution for Bard, Alfred or the people of Laketown. None for Dain and barely any for Dwarves. But worst of all, what happened to Erebor, the Arkenstone and Gold!? The fate of it all was the major driving point for conflict in the first half of the movie! Was the reason for its omission to say "well there's more important things than that"? At least some nod to the Dwarves of Erebor and men of Dale realising just that and becoming bros would've been a better way to deliver that message.
Not an all time great like LotR, not garbage either.
First of all, I smurfing hated it. HATED it. Very nearly walked out.
Bad acting. Bad casting. Bad special effects. Bad scripting. The worst musical choices of the entire series. Bad pacing. Bad ending.
This movie made me hate Legolas, and I LOVE LEGOLAS. So smurf this movie.
While we're at it, smurf all the elves, especially Elfgirl. She should've stayed Lost. The Kili romance is just pandering bulltrout nonsense. Which is bad enough, but they didn't even write it well or act it well (there's no real tension or believable attraction between the two), and as somebody mentioned, it meant smurfing up the relationship between Kili, Fili, and Thorin.
Which gets me to the main problem I have with the Hobbit movies. This should have been one movie about some DWARVES and a HOBBIT, with some Bard thrown in. Other than Thorin and Kili, the dwarves were practically written out of the movies, especially in this atrocious third movie. Peter Jackson is a racist asshole.
I have so much more to say, but if I say much more, one or another of EoFF's resident smartasses might feel obligated to show their ass.
So anyway.
The five armies SHOULD be:
Dwarves
Elves
Humans
Orcs
smurfING BEORN. (tbf, beorn+eagles)
In the book, Legolas doesn't kill Bolg, Beorn does. Beorn shows up with the eagles, kills Bolg, and wreaks smurfing havoc. I'd been waiting for this moment, anticipating through every agonizing minute of this horrible excuse for a trilogy of movies and Peter Jackson utterly smurfed it. I mean, we get Beorn jumping off the eagle and shifting midair (which made me hopeful) and then he lands and scene's over. Seriously? That's it? Yep, that's it. Instead we get more Twilight-esque fake dwarf/elf romance.
This was a movie centered around a battle that actually doesn't get detailed in the book. So Jackson was somewhat free to do what he wanted with it. And if he had changed things up and made an interesting movie, I'd forgive him. But the battle wasn't compelling. Much of it simply didn't make any sense. There was basically nothing interesting about it. Thorin's battle wasn't compelling, and was written to be away from the rest of the battle. That was such a troutty choice. I know it was to allow for the Legolas+Kili+Tauriel silliness, and that just makes it worse.
The fighting itself was almost all terrible. Bilbo shooting Orcs with rocks like it's a carnival game? What the serious smurf, man? also, Azog's chain was stupid. A horrible weapon. Dain's use of his hammer was badly animated and basically silly.
Why didn't the orcs just use the Dune-worms to gobble up their enemies?
Lame. Lame. Lame. Lame. Lame.
Beorn also makes part of the trip back with Gandolf and Bilbo, which could've been part of that ending, and should have. Just, more Beorn all around and this would've been a better movie. If you're going to add something to the movie that's not in the book, why not make it interesting? Beorn is really Bard's father? What? Yeah, sure why not, better than the additional trout we got.
Yeah, I'm a fan of Billy Connelly too, but that was soooo disappointing.
To me, it was. And I'm not being dramatic. I rate them about the same, in terms of good vs. bad moments. And that makes this movie worse, because Jackson had a classic beloved-by-millions book as his source, and couldn't do it justice.
It was okay, probably the only part of the movie that didn't have me utterly frustrated. But the way they played Thorin's madness kind of ruined it for me.
I don't mind ridiculous fantasy violence, either. But there's good ridiculous fantasy violence and bad ridiculous fantasy violence. TBoFA is a case of the latter.
Alfred got too much screen time and so did Bard's kids, but I do agree that the Bard character was played well, and compared to most of the other characters, written well.
Yeah, I agree completely. For all the build up, the ending felt really empty, and there was shocking lack of resolution on all accounts.The one thing I didn't like was the ending. I mean, I liked what was there, don't get me wrong, I just didn't like what wasn't there. I can't comprehend the "too long" complaints. What?
Nope. Garbage. Big ol' pile o' garbage.
Oh yeah, Thorin's madness. I think they really beat you over the head with it and it went on too long. The resolution was shaping up to be nice with the voices of all his friends in his head but then the smurfing awful CGI gold whirlpool that wouldn't look out of place in a PS1 game just distracted and detracted from the whole thing.
Was it really odd to anyone else that the credits didn't feature character sketches of Luke Evans/Bard or Lee Pace/Thranduil? Both characters were really important to the plot - moreso than Galadriel or Elrond - but weren't featured at all.
Like Psychotic, I was really sad we didn't get to see the resolution for the dwarves and the humans of Dale. I feel like I missed some pretty significant closure in not seeing Thorin laid to rest with the Arkenstone and Orcrist - returned by Thranduil himself and giving that character a little more dimension, too. Or wait, is Orcrist the sword Legolas threw to him? If so, then I'm again irritated.
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I feel like those things in the conclusion would actually help ease away from the thought of things being too long. The issue, for me, is that too much time was spent on lesser things that should have been given to more important things being cut out/getting short-changed.
I really need to pick up the extended editions of everything when they're all out just to see what they're like. For LotR, I enjoyed the extra character interactions and the chance to spend more time in the world. Also, the appendices were absolutely fascinating. I own the extended first Hobbit film, and I felt its extra scenes just through off the pacing more and really didn't add anything to the movie because they were so insignificant. I haven't watched the appendices yet, but I'm really interested into seeing more behind these movies. I feel like it could bring some interesting insight.
Odd? No. Annoying? Yes. I gave up on the movie's logic or credibility long before the credits started rolling.
I think it was supposed to be Orcrist. But who knows, Peter Jackson by this point has no regard for source content at all. I think the success of the LoTR movies turned him into a megalomaniac (if he wasn't one already).
I often take a film with a pinch of salt, such as the previous two Hobbit movies and Transformers films, all of which I enjoyed to various extents. The Battle of Five Armies had so much salt on it that I was concerned I may vomit.
Smaug was cool. I liked Smaug. Bilbo was, as ever, pretty freakin' great and I felt he was portrayed excellently when compared with the book.
Things that broke all immersion and had Danielle and I looking at each other, cringing or rolling our eyes...
- Any "Is he dead? OH NO HE ISN'T" moment.
- Legolas rock-climbing.
- Legolas auditioning for the WWE.
- Dain
- That guy who left us to die for most of the battle suddenly is here! Now we can win!
- Fili + Kili deaths. Not the method of death, but the reasoning and location. Mostly for Kili, because of the next point.
- The Tauriel + Kili LoveLove Moments
- Gandalf and Bilbo laughing up immediately after mourning.
- The Three vs. The Nine.
Probably more, but that's just from memory. Everything was either dragged on too long or was cut entirely or was just really badly done.
So yeah, in the end Danielle and I left the film blinking about how bad it was. And I had read nothing of what anyone had said about the film before then, because I hate living off the opinion of others. No, we made up our own mind and it's a relief that we aren't alone in our thinking. Yet, somehow, this film has a 7.8/10 rating on IMDb and I'm a bitabout that.
Bow before the mighty Javoo!
Fangirls. And boys, but mostly fangirls.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that.
It would be a decent movie if we stopped pretending that it was a LotR or Hobbit movie.Yet, somehow, this film has a 7.8/10 rating on IMDb and I'm a bit
Even though Viggo Mortensen expressed disinterest in reprising his role as Aragorn in The Hobbit films for logical and factual reasons, Peter Jackson still felt compelled for some smurfing reason to shunt a mention of him in there anyway, thereby smurfing up all history of Middle Earth and turning Aragorn into a time traveler. Or some other equally inexplicable explanation for Thanduil's recommendation to Legolas.
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