Shlup: Neither Cidney or FF exist in a vacuum, but I'm one of "those people" that don't think a game should try to balance out the rest of the world, I believe a game should be the fairest it can be, the best it can be. Final Fantasy is completely entitled to have a cast of attractive characters. I don't believe that Final Fantasy games are designed 100% for males. I do believe that the characters are designed to be as attractive as they can be and I don't think there is this huge imbalance in character models depending on the gender. So far I think FFXV has had "healthy/fit male" and "healthy/fit female". I don't live in a vacuum, nor does Cidney, nor does Final Fantasy. But that doesn't mean Cidney, Final Fantasy and myself all need to overcompensate to make up for the 96% out there. I think Final Fantasy are one of the few out there who are doing it right, or extremely close to right, and I'm not the kind of guy that believes they have to be the ones to add in a complete cast of ugly ladies with two sexualised men to attempt to balance out all the inconsistencies the rest of the media world has.
Don't call me "purpopsefully dense". You're going around insulting my intelligence or attitude or integrity and I don't appreciate it. Debate the details, not the person, or stop debating at all.
Regarding your reasoning for calling me purposefully dense: I do believe that unattractive males barely exist in Final Fantasy, and I do believe there is the odd unattractive female in Final Fantasy, so while unattractive (males AND females) columns will be near-empty, they will not be empty. You yourself mentioned Brahne like... four sentences earlier as an unattractive female, negating your point. Despite this I don't believe you are purposefully dense at all.
I think it'll take more than just a few people 'believing' and I think you know that. You can't walk down main streets of cities with your boobs out without either acting out against the law and (much more likely) being looked upon by hundreds of people with all kinds of unwanted attention. As I say... we have to deal with the culture we're given.Originally Posted by Shlup
Disagree 100%. But you grew up in Newcastle, where guys are famous for taking off their shirts in any and all conditions, and now live in Perth, where it's super-hot yet simultaneously super-conservative, which may have something to do with it.Nobody would stop or look twice at a shirtless guy walking around tbh. A girl with a low cut top though - oh she's a slut for sure.Where I've live, if a guy is walking around shirtless people will be thinking he is trying to show off to the girls, or is a knob, or is generally a weirdo (unless it's a beach or an insanely hot day). If a girl is walking around with a low cut top, she is not instantly viewed as a slut. If there are people out there who actually think in the way you suggested (and sadly I'm sure there are), they are stupid and we shouldn't cater to their way of thinking.
And we have no idea how relevant Cidney will be to the plot yet, so let's not jump to conclusions!
shion: I get where you're coming from but I think it's pretty rare in modern Final Fantasy that a shy, modest female is dressed in a skimpy outfit. Penelo springs to mind. Lightning, despite what people think, is someone I would call shy and modest. Fang is the opposite, I guess.
I agree it's excessive in general, like films, advertising, etc. I can only assume that this is down to marketing and that sexy men just don't make people want to buy things nearly as much as sexy women. That's a whole different discussion though and I haven't put much thought into it, but my general feeling is that it's a problem to which I don't know the solution without restricting freedom of an artist. And it's worth noting that in my experience, girls freakin' love creating art of girls rather than men. I think it's something about the generally more aesthetically pleasing curves on a woman as opposed to a man, I dunno.
