Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal_Khan View Post
If you can't even acknowledge an imbalance in how the genders are treated when presented with a completely objective numerical fact then I don't even know what you're trying to do here
I did acknowledge the in-balance, but i'm saying it's marginal.

That list is hardly "objective numerical fact". Totally subjective(you admitted this in an earlier post tho).And, imo, there should be 3 categories; Un attractive, Average, Sexy.16 unattractive males?!! geez shulp, you must have some pretty high standards lol. But seriously, i would be interested in seeing your list of the unnatractive males. But No, the number of unattractive females to males ratio will likely not be even on anybody's list. But does it have to be exactly even for you to think it's not sexist? For every unattractive male there has to be an unattractive female?
I was referring to the 23 male playable characters that are older than the oldest female playable character.

No, it doesn't have to be exactly equal, but not being double or triple would be a start.


Many posts ago we determined that male playable characters are two to three times more likely to have a character design not obviously made to be physically attractive to the player.
Not "we", just you(again, anyone's list of unattractive characters will be completely subjective). But lets use my list as an example; I have 5 unattractive females to 10 males. So there's twice as many unattractive males to females(based on my subjective opinion).That sounds like a large disparity, on face alone, but the difference is still only 5 characters. and therefor seems marginal.
"We" as in the people participating in the discussion at the time.

That aside, a 100% increase is marginal to you? Wow.


So if a female is on the "sexy" end of the scale, her credibility is sacrifice and she is "literally a sex object", and that's it?
I'm unsure why you think it's appropriate to take this one example an apply it to every circumstance. I am specifically talking about Cidney's nonsense outfit. We aren't going to make any progress at all if you take every opportunity to run off the deep end.

Cidneys design is sexualizing but Gladiolus isn't?
No, you're misunderstanding what I was addressing. I was explaining to you why the sexualization is problematic. I've said several times that sexualization is not the problem; it's imbalance that's the problem. I would consider it a personal favor if you would put some effort into remembering what should be a simple point, as your continued implication that I believe all sexy is bad is not helpful. I'm sure you don't want to waste your effort fighting phantoms.

You seem to be saying that it's only sexist when female characters are sexualised.
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Usually it's a woman, but sometimes it's a man. It would be foolish to make absolute statements about complex issues.

HAHAHA thank you, i literally laughed out load from that last bit. What, from my posts, leads you to believe I would have a problem with seeing "too many sexy men"? Beatrix is around 30, and i adore her character(plus she's just so DAMN HOT!!!). I have no issue with female characters in there 30's or w/e. I just said that FF's theme is exclusively about young hero's, and thus the disparity in characters ages are irrelevant, b/c of coarse there's going to be many more younger characters. That doesn't mean there sexist. But, in all honestly, whats not funny is that b/c i have a dissenting opinion to you on the issue, that you will label me as a sexist/misogynist and for some reason implying some homophobia, as a ploy to diminish my arguments...
I wasn't implying anything and I certainl didn't put any labels on you. It was an honest question.

*snip* EDIT BY BoB: Nothing to see here, folks, just a response to something that was deleted in another post.