Originally Posted by
DrAssenov
Do you really think that the big corporations that are colluding with government are actually going to foot the bill if min wage is raised? Do you really think that since they can pay off members of congress to manipulate tax policy that suddenly making another law will actually punish them and suddenly make them pay? That policy fails on its own terms. Its not theory. It is fact.
And I am not being callous. How is actually trying to solve poverty callous? How is wanting to give more economic power back to the people callous?
The poor have always been with us and always will. Not everyone is the same. Whats comfortable for one person is completely arbitrary and is not your right to decide for others. With the pure motive of wanting to help your fellow man, you sell their freedoms by enabling a government already known to pay special favors to big businesses. If you want to change the government, then start by limiting their spending and your dependency on it. The government is only as powerful as the people it subjugates.
Now we're going in circles because I've kindly answered your questions, and given you my point of view, but you only return with the same questions.
Answer The Man's and answer mine. How would deregulation put power pack in the individual worker's hands? How would it improve their quality of life? How would eliminating the government (instead of fixing it to represent us better), give us more power and leverage against multi-national conglomerate corporations that now hold billions upon billions in resources and money?
Everything would be run by those companies. Don't like what they're doing? Well, there's no regulation against it. Want to make it so they can't? Well, they can afford lawyers, you can't because they pay you, and without regulation they pay you just enough to eat. If you've dismantled the government far enough, then forget a trial, there is no court system. It's simply might makes right, and a billion dollar corporation has far more might than you or me.
What you don't seem to follow is that policy is power. If those that create and enforce that policy for us are corrupt, then they need to be replaced, but eliminating policies put in place to better society will not eliminate poverty. It will make it worse. That is not theory. That is fact.
You keep saying, "but theory this." and "holding people down" that. Proper policy
lifts people up. So many people in this country have forgotten that. They're brainwashed into believing eliminating social safety nets and established rights of the people will some how make them stronger. We've already tried that, so have other countries. Once again look to the Industrial Revolution.
You mentioned what you thought made countries like the U.S./Canada, European nations, and some Asian nations so successful earlier. Want to know what actually
really helped them rise above?
It was in 1689 when the first patriarchal system was eliminated, and one was put in place using a parliamentary system who's purpose was to make sure policy would now represent the people instead of the very wealthy and powerful few. Look up Glorious Revolution. That was the first time, at least in western history, where a government body was formed to give more power to the people, and represent the people's interest. That's what helped them rise above.
The reason why it is callous, and not fact to insist on one theory being correct is because of all the reasons Psychotic, Del, The Man, and myself have given you. The facts and examples of how those theories don't account for other things outside of pure economics, and therefore don't work well on their own. In fact it often helps make it worse. Once again, everything in moderation, Assenov. Unfettered capitalism does exactly what The Man mentioned.
It allows for the accrual of massive amounts of wealth by the few, to the detriment of the majority. You keep saying how you don't like big, corrupt corporations, but yet you want to completely eliminate government that is there to keep them in check. So if we drop those protection policies, what's to keep those companies from creating even more powerful monopolies? What's to keep them from owning the land and resources, and deciding exactly how little we're worth? Since we don't want the government involved, how do we stop them?
Well said. I like you.
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