Wolf Kanno's Bottom Ten JRPGs.

[Fynn]

Honestly, I do not really have much love for the PS3, that is certainly true but I would probably go far enough to say that the last console generation was the weakest for me and my gaming taste. Let's face it though, compared to it's predecessor, the PS3 has not exactly been god's gift to RPGs, nor has that particular console generation seen the sheer volume of quality titles like the previous two so sorry if I'm feeling a bit peeved and disappointed I bought a gaming console to play good games and kind of feeling underwhelmed here.

As I stated in my explanation for VC being on this list, it came around the time I had a serious falling out over the Tactical RPG genre as I became burnt out and annoyed by the very flaws that are standard issue for the genre. Akin to someone who one day and woke realizing they didn't like RPGs because gosh darn it they just really don't like the random encounters and highly exploitative customization systems and frankly that's what most of them are. The fact the game had a very anime anti-war plot didn't help to endure it unlike say Disgaea which never took itself seriously and was pretty funny even if the gameplay still felt exhausting. Am I treating it unfairly? Probably but it had bad timing and some game was going to get the blunt of it. I still stand by the fact the game has one of the most absolutely terrible UI/Menu systems I've encountered in a game since the old PC days though.

As for WKC, I didn't mention much of the online component because frankly I didn't like it because as I've mentioned before on this forum, I'm not big into co-op/multiplayer games. I also don't really understand why you would build two different games, slap them together in a disjointed way and say "hey, the solo campaign sucks but the other part that involves us entertaining ourselves with each other's company wasn't as bad" constitutes as a success. That bulltrout might work in the FPS genre but the RPG genre kind of has different criteria of standards that I just don't think work that way. You yourself once mentioned you probably liked the game more simply because at the time you (and most of us) were in a serious drought for a good RPG and lapped it up despite realizing in hindsight it wasn't that great.

There are other more generic games, but this list only contains the ones I owned and felt promising. I don't really pick up the truly generic looking ones, but I've obviously been duped by some promising high profile titles or sequels. I would be curious to know what you would rank as 20 low-tier JRPGs.

Honestly, it was my least favorite generation as well. I'll be first in line to say the PS3 library doesn't hold a candle to its predecessors - but that's gaming in general. The glory days of home console RPGs truly are are over and you need to find them somewhere else or enjoy your devices for what they can do. Not vilify mediocre games for making you regret your purchase

Along those lines, you say I enjoyed WKC because of the drought and I did but that's not something I realized in hindsight. Like I always say with XIII, I absolutely recognize and call out flaws but I also give fair credit to what games get right because life is too short to bitch about the entertainment I consume. I'm just so sick of this fractious, black-and-white internet discussion culture where we overlook redeeming qualities in writing snarky critiques to either score points or get attention from like-minded individuals. Here, you couldn't even praise the combat system without saying combos lose "wow" factor or you see everything too quickly, which is about as vague and ambiguously critical as whatever you are trying to convey about VC's UI. Which makes it ironic when Fynn praises you for clear articulation, before twisting my own words to attack me Who also admits never owning PS3, presumably never playing VC or Demon's Souls, yet is comfortable calling the generation for the Wii (didn't even the Xbox 360 have better JRPGs?)

Gotta love EoFF!

It doesn't have Xenoblade or the Last Story.

/endgame

Also, it's not black and white. People have the right to dislike games, as they have the right to have things bug them. Writing and reading about that is fun and entertaining, especially if well-written, like WK's list is so far. I also like to read positive things on the Internet, really - there's room for a lot of this. If you must know, since it came out on steam, I intend to play VC anyway, just like I'm giving the XIII trilogy a fair shot despite all the bad publicity. There's a certain catharsis factor to slamming games and reading somebody slamming games. It's all still in good fun. I'm sorry if my comment offended you - I was trying to have fun with the thread. Sorry if it came at your expense

Tl;dr: I believe there's a place for everything. I'm loving this list so far, as it's really well-written, but I also like to look for positive things in games, as you may be aware from reading my top 25 list.