Kefka vs Goku

[Lazerface]

So to sum up the Physical vs Magic attack thing I decided to pit the strongest villain of the FF series against the strongest hero of the DBZ verse sine they're the definition of the respective attributes. Though Goku can use energy attacks too, but they're ki based and it's known in the DBZ verse Goku and most of the Z fighters are weak to magic attacks like Buu's candy beam (it's magic). It's said that Ki has no real chance against Magic since they're too different things. Kefka being the god of magic that he is knows really every magic spell there is to know in his respective universe. Goku knows instant transmission, Kefka knows teleport. On that note, Kefka's weak to physical attacks as it's been exploited in the end boss battle in FFVI. Goku's punches must hit like a damn megaton because of his strong physical attributes. Both of them fight at their strongest- Goku at Super Saiyan God and Kefka at his Magic God form. Depends if Goku can get a hit or a energy attack in before Kefka teleports away and casts Forsaken, Havoc Wing, or Heartless Angel and it depends if Kefka is smart enough to see what Goku's gonna do next or predict his attacks. So who will win? If you think I should've chose a different villain let me know. I had Ultimecia, NeoExDeath, and Safer Sephiroth in mind when it came to power. But what do you think?

[Ayen]

I think DBZ characters are ridiculously OP as smurf so Goku would probably win out.

[Spooniest]

It's a question of speed. Don't forget that magic takes time.

This is Kefka's weakness in the game. Even at battle speed 1 (the fastest battle speed; player characters are not affected by +/- battle speed at all), Kefka is ridiculously slow.

One wonders, if he has wings and the most powerful source of magic in existence, why all four of your party members can get a turn before he gets one.

Even in my mod where his speed is set to 128, for some reason his agility gauge (hidden) seems to start the battle at 0 by default. Your characters are allowed to begin inputting commands right away.

Kefka wouldn't come close to Goku's speed. He'd be speechifying and Goku's fists would already be on their way to his gut.

[Colonel Angus]

Kefka wouldn't come close to Goku's speed. He'd be speechifying and Goku's fists would already be on their way to his gut.

They'd spend 19 episodes just talking about beating each other up.

[Ayen]

Kefka wouldn't come close to Goku's speed. He'd be speechifying and Goku's fists would already be on their way to his gut.

They'd spend 19 episodes just talking about beating each other up.

But the abridged version of those episodes would be hilarious!

[Wolf Kanno]

Yeah, DBZ characters are a little ridiculous. His better Square-Enix counterpart would be Id from Xenogears. Course Son Goku has nothing on Giovanni Giorno and his Gold Experience Requiem. That thing is bulltrout...

[Polnareff]

Yeah, DBZ characters are a little ridiculous. His better Square-Enix counterpart would be Id from Xenogears. Course Son Goku has nothing on Giovanni Giorno and his Gold Experience Requiem. That thing is bulltrout...

For those who don't know what Wolf is talking about, in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Part 5 (I didn't even know you were a Jojo fan until now!) the main character, Giorno, has a Stand (which is a supernatural being that fights alongside the character) called Gold Experience. An event that I won't spoil happens later on and it becomes Gold Experience Requiem.

Requiem has the power to reset the opponent's state back to zero. Actually, the way it was explained, he could reset just about anything back to zero. So if Goku tried to attack, Giorno could just have GER reset his attack power and everything back to nothing.

Araki (series creator) did kind of a troutty job explaining the full extent of GER's power to the point where he had Giorno explicitly mention in the manga itself that he didn't understand the power fully.

King Crimson (a later antagonist's Stand) is also so stupidly overpowered and convoluted that any questions fans have about the Stand are usually answered with a picture of King Crimson that reads, "it just works."

Part 4 was when some of the Stands got really weird, but Part 5 just took the weirdness to a whole new level.

[Wolf Kanno]

King Crimson isn't too difficult to understand, he just has the power to erase 8 seconds of time and make reality work like those 8 seconds never happened. It's a BS ability as well, which is why GER had to have a more BS ability. Some fans theorize Giorno might actually exist in the SBR Universe as himself since his Stand could theoretically counter Made in Heaven's ability from Part 6.

The point is that JoJo's Bizarre Adventures is awesome and you should all read it.

[VeloZer0]

Meh, it started to suck once they brought in the whole stands thing. It was really awesome before that though.

Now I don't particularly want to engage in internet what-ifs involving DBZ, but we should also note that it seems like when they power up to the max they seem to be able to use their chi to negate whatever magical effect is convenient to neutralize.

[Wolf Kanno]

Not all the time, the Buu Saga kind of showed that magic still works, regardless of chi power. Besides, we're talking about a Stand that could stop Goku from actually charging up. Now whether Giorno's Stand could actually hurt Son Goku is a different story but I have confidence Giorno could at least fight Goku to a draw with GER.

[VeloZer0]

Yes, but said magic was used by an entity with comparable (or greater power) than the target. So it doesn't really tell us much at all.

[Sephiroth]

- Goku is a Super Saiyajin God and a Super Saiyajin 4
- though inconsistent Goku's power was always shown to be in range of space destroyers (Vegeta Saiyan Saga: planet, Cell Cell Saga, Solar System, et cetera)
- Goku can teleport
- Goku's movement speed is beyond imagination (certain situations, so ridiculous that it even is inconsistent)
- Goku does not only use Chi but also use mind powers like telekinesis and reading minds (vs Frieza, Kuririn, et cetera)
- Goku can charge the entire power of the universe in one move (Genki Dama)
- Goku's universe does not work with the flawed causality paradox-causing concept of making something not happen even though it has happened but with the concept of a multiversal tree so whatever is done is done and something else will only affect a new branch - still inconsistent but at least a bit more logical
- Dragon Ball characters already were able to make a long combo within 5 seconds during the first tournament (Roshi VS Kuririn)
- if Goku cannot be magically overwhelmed by Kefka so he he cannot even teleport away or anything like that there is no way to actually hurt him, if there is some actual way to bring them into the same system there might b a chance with magic being so different
- Kefka does not work within the concept of Dragon Ball, he is not even shown to be a real god - other than Goku - but only compared to a god "he is like a god" which is something entirely different; in Dragon Ball God Chi can also not be felt by someone else than a God (e.g. Beerus could not be felt by Goku but by Kaioh before Goku himself became a god)

[Spooniest]

- Goku is a Super Saiyajin God and a Super Saiyajin 4
- though inconsistent Goku's power was always shown to be in range of space destroyers (Vegeta Saiyan Saga: planet, Cell Cell Saga, Solar System, et cetera)
- Goku can teleport
- Goku's movement speed is beyond imagination (certain situations, so ridiculous that it even is inconsistent)
- Goku does not only use Chi but also use mind powers like telekinesis and reading minds (vs Frieza, Kuririn, et cetera)
- Goku can charge the entire power of the universe in one move (Genki Dama)
- Dragon Ball characters already were able to make a long combo within 5 seconds during the first tournament (Roshi VS Kuririn)
- if Goku cannot be magically overwhelmed by Kefka so he he cannot even teleport away or anything like that there is no way to actually hurt him, if there is some actual way to bring them into the same system there might b a chance with magic being so different
- Kefka does not work within the concept of Dragon Ball, he is not even shown to be a real god - other than Goku - but only compared to a god "he is like a god" which is something entirely different; in Dragon Ball God Chi can also not be felt by someone else than a God (e.g. Beerus cannot be felt by Goku but by Kaioh)

Continue to study the concept of communication. You are a thoughtful person, but you don't know how to explain a premise or compose a message.

[Sephiroth]

My degree in psychology, including communication psychology, tells me you are wrong. Short answers are enough.
Thank you, Psychotic.

[Psychotic]

Okay let's get back on topic, not talk about each other. Thank you.