I think you mean stars & stripes. Stars & bars refers to that other flag.Originally Posted by sharkythesharkdogg
I think you mean stars & stripes. Stars & bars refers to that other flag.
Other flag? Forgive me for my ignorance on this matter, I'm not American.I think you mean stars & stripes. Stars & bars refers to that other flag.
The Confederate Flag, which has been all over our news/comedy shows, has been referred to by that name.Other flag? Forgive me for my ignorance on this matter, I'm not American.I think you mean stars & stripes. Stars & bars refers to that other flag.
Oh, right, of course!
I was aware of the current furore over the Confederate Flag, just not that it is known as 'The Stars and Bars'.
Yup, sorry. My brain crossed some wires.
I am considerably more patriotic on a local level than I am on a national one. I am DAMN proud of being a Montanan and especially proud of being a Bozemanite. Being an American is okay, I guess. It was pretty good yesterday.
Wales has a lot of nationalists of the wrong kind. It's fairly turned me off the whole patriotism thing. I like the history and culture.
The Civil War was not fought over slavery. It was simply state rights and taxation. The South was being ignored by the North for a long time on a lot of issues and the South got ignored for the last time and the Civil War happened. Yes, slavery was a part of it but it wasn't the main reason why it was fought. Check your history books.The Civil War was flat out fought to abolish slavery. The slave states who tried to secede into the Confederacy did it with reasons plainly associated with their slave operations. If they were "getting raped by the North", it was because they wanted to keep perpetuating the unwholesome trout in the south and the North slammed them down for it.
Additionally, I don't think arguing for the Confederacy is a particularly good position to be in.
As for the war business, I thought that example might come up, and all I can say is that no, I don't think we are a nation who propagates war and hatred and genocide, but that we have been at the mercy of some particularly poor leaders who have chosen such courses of action.
No, the secession was based tariffs and taxes, in addition preserving slavery, states’ rights (exercising slavery), and political liberty for whites. Then the Civil War came, which was based on the south wanting to continue operating in ways that were no longer conducive to the nation, with many of their ways were directly centralized by the slave operations and labor that they relied on as a confederacy. Check your own history books.The Civil War was not fought over slavery. It was simply state rights and taxation. The South was being ignored by the North for a long time on a lot of issues and the South got ignored for the last time and the Civil War happened. Yes, slavery was a part of it but it wasn't the main reason why it was fought. Check your history books.The Civil War was flat out fought to abolish slavery. The slave states who tried to secede into the Confederacy did it with reasons plainly associated with their slave operations. If they were "getting raped by the North", it was because they wanted to keep perpetuating the unwholesome trout in the south and the North slammed them down for it.
Additionally, I don't think arguing for the Confederacy is a particularly good position to be in.
As for the war business, I thought that example might come up, and all I can say is that no, I don't think we are a nation who propagates war and hatred and genocide, but that we have been at the mercy of some particularly poor leaders who have chosen such courses of action.
And that's why it's state rights. It wasn't fought over pure slavery. It may have been to exercise the right of using them but it was not slavery. The South didn't have much of a voice in politics in the Union. Every other president before Lincoln didn't condemn slavery and immediately order the South to get rid of them. They talked about it and at least gave the South that right to voice their opinion on political matters instead of ordering them to get rid of it. Lincoln and the Republican party condemned it so they knew once he got into office they weren't going to get a say in the matter of slavery, taxation, industrialization, or other politics. Slavery was a part of the reason it was fought but it wasn't the reason why it was fought. It was fought over state rights and representation. I still say check your history books. Taxes may have been on reason for succession. But loss of representation is the big one.No, the secession was based tariffs and taxes, in addition preserving slavery, states’ rights (exercising slavery), and political liberty for whites. Then the Civil War came, which was based on the south wanting to continue operating in ways that were no longer conducive to the nation, with many of their ways were directly centralized by the slave operations and labor that they relied on as a confederacy. Check your own history books.The Civil War was not fought over slavery. It was simply state rights and taxation. The South was being ignored by the North for a long time on a lot of issues and the South got ignored for the last time and the Civil War happened. Yes, slavery was a part of it but it wasn't the main reason why it was fought. Check your history books.The Civil War was flat out fought to abolish slavery. The slave states who tried to secede into the Confederacy did it with reasons plainly associated with their slave operations. If they were "getting raped by the North", it was because they wanted to keep perpetuating the unwholesome trout in the south and the North slammed them down for it.
Additionally, I don't think arguing for the Confederacy is a particularly good position to be in.
As for the war business, I thought that example might come up, and all I can say is that no, I don't think we are a nation who propagates war and hatred and genocide, but that we have been at the mercy of some particularly poor leaders who have chosen such courses of action.
Oh God, I'm not the only one!
uh no I think I'd know if I was you.yes
Nope.
I can tell words from other words. Even when they start with the same letter.
I kinda saw it as psychotic too at first.
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