You're right Bolivar. From what I played of the latest Forza at Christmas when my sister and her husband were here with there Xbone, it's better than GT in many ways. Certainly better than GT5 was by a long shot. And even though GT6 improved on 5 in many respects, it's career mode is so half assed compared to GT4 on the PS2 that Polyphony should be ashamed. They were phoning it in big time on the PS3.