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    I think the self-awareness varies wildly. Toriyama clearly intended you to take this seriously and to love his waifu.

    Don't try and pull a DMC here and make excuses. The people who made DMC thought Dante was legitimately cool and they were oh so very wrong and stupid. Toriyama is also stupid for thinking Lightning is cool. You can tell during the Prologue we're supposed to think what's happening is AWESOME SUPER BADASS AMAZING.

    And it's not. Not even close.

    So unexpected little surprise here when I loaded up the game. Tutorial about "Close Gates." So would this be how I can defeat Atlus later on when I'm strong enough and thus get the Paradox Ending? I'm not exactly sure what other ways this rewinding time thing can be useful. It says you can do it to "fix mistakes." What kind of mistakes are we talking here? Gameplay ones or are there actual like, important decisions you can smurf up in the plot?

    Ugh...the game is TAUNTING me! I just got the Artifacts for Bresha Ruins and was leveling up Serah and Noel. I've been thinking this whole time "next Crystarium Expansion, I'm gonna give Serah an extra ATB guage." But when I finally got that option, I also had Medic unlocked. I've already been told she is a great Medic and that's fairly obvious from her amazing Magic stat. But if I remember FFXIII correctly, the AI is better at healing than I was. The fact is, as I have noted before, I can't see very good. I can only focus on parts on specific parts of the screen. Keeping track of enemy HP, Stagger guage and so-on, while simultaneously trying to keep track of party HP, just isn't feasible. I tried it and I failed at it miserably. The AI was much better at keeping me alive and knowing when we were in need of health.

    So I went with the ATB gauge. I suppose I could have had Serah learn Medic and then just have my party leader be Noel but I like Serah more. It was a tough decision deciding who I wanted to control iN XIII but here? It's always gonna be Serah.

    Not that I'm down on Noel or anything, don't get me wrong. He's nothing like what my vague memories of XIII-2 said he was. He's actually very friendly and supportive for a guy with his level of angst. You'd think, being the last survivor of the human race in a post-apocalyptic wasteland he'd be more broody or something. Yet he's remarkably chill and nice and willing to both talk and listen. Stuff like him chipping in there to help Alyssa feel better during her freakout was a pleasant surprise.

    In short, he's a total bud. Although you would think he'd be a bit more disturbed about the fact his memories are being smurfed with. It's a huge source of worry for Serah, for obvious reasons, but Noel just kinda mentions it off-handedly. "I remember stuff that didn't actually happen to me. Kinda annoying but oh well" sums up his attitude. Most people would not be so blase about it.

    Anyway! Back to gameplay. For Noel's Crystarium Expansion I taught him Synergist. I've dumped all their points up to now into their primary Paradigm (Commando for Noel, Ravager for Serah) but for this latest upgrade I decided to diversify a lot. Boosted both Sentinel and Commando for Serah to give her some much needed health and physical power. Noel meanwhile got a ton of levels in Ravager and Synergist. So now I can have like a total Support Paradigm. Start of boss fights, switch to that, have Serah nail them with Saboteur and Noel protect everyone with Synergist, and then concentrate on the attack.

    Oh and as for monsters,I leveled up my Nekton to 15 'cuz it's the best Ravager I have right now. Well, I assumed it was because it had the highest magic stat to start off with.

    I tried doing the sidequest in Bresha Ruins to find the guy who said there's another communicator out there. There's probably another of him walking around due to TIME PARADOX. But I couldn't find the other guy. Mog usually freaks out and flies over to things to indicate you can do that...whatever the smurf it is to reveal objects. The tutorial said you can do it to reveal people as well. If that's what I have to do to find the other him or whatever, it's not gonna happen. I don't see the reality warping or Mog's pom-pom glowing more brightly or any of that. If the game wants me to find something, it should have Mog draw attention to it just like it does at other times.

    I really want that goddam Fragment though....

    smurf it, I just looked it up. I need Moogle Throw to do this. I honestly thought of that earlier on. It's good to know it wasn't just something I was missing.

    I had no idea Chocobos could be used to get to places though. I thought they were just ways of getting around random battles. This Wiki guide though says I can use a Chocobo to hop up to this one area that was bugging me because I couldn't get to it. Thanks game for not telling me this rather important information. Although it does look like Mog will vocally call attention to stuff like Fragments and the whole space time unraveling thing he does. I was afraid this would be a worse version of Fable II and III's system with the dog but no, they were smart and realized just having Mog low wouldn't be enough. Thank you, Square.

    I assume the other quest, the one with the guy who wants me to find a flower that only blooms in winter,is something else I have to wait and do later. Find a timeline that is all wintery. Up to this points, things have been remarkably sunny and cheerful considering.

    Now I got the DLC weapons that came with the DLC Bundle - the Genji Bow and the Muramassa - but I'm not sure if they are "better" than the ones I can buy in the game. The Genji Bow has higher stats than the Amazon Bow I just made/bought but it lacks the Chain Bonus. Chain Bonus seems like the actual best attribute to have.

    You know what? For boss fights, I'm just not going to give a smurf about rank. I got 3 stars against this big dude in this next timeline - Aloeidai is its name apparently - and I am perfectly satisfied with my performance. For my monster in this fight I brought along the crazy wing dudes you find who are Synergists. I figured some buffing be good. Right now, Noel's only Synergist abilities are Protect so I figured Bravery and Faith would be great here. Sure my monster died about 1/2 or 3/4 through the fight but we did perfect as far as I'm concerned.

    A lot of people online back when I played XIII said the rank didn't actually matter here. For here though, it seems to be the best way to gain drops from enemies. If I want to be able to collect Monster Materials in a timely matter, I need that 5 star 200% Drop thing I think. Or maybe not. Maybe score doesn't matter here either. Please inform me people of the Internet, does the star rating really effect anything substantial?


    Hope, what the hell happened to you. You're all tall and your voice is deep. It's weird.

    Urgh, I can't decide on what to do with my Bonuses! Another ATB Gauge??? More Bonuses to my Paradigms? Extra accessories is particularly tempting... I could get 24% more Health or deal 20% more Physical or Magical damage.... Dammit I just don't know how good the bonuses are. I just figure that permanent increases via Crystarium are the superior option. The COM/RAV/whatever Bonuses mean that the stat increases you get in that Paradigm's Crystarium are better, correct? So instead of getting plai old +10 health, with the bonus I'll get +20 health from the same "slot." That's how I think it works anyway....

    Fine, I'll just go with COM Bonus for Serah.

    You know N Oel, earlier on I said you were cool and forthright, but now you are hiding stuff. No one is calling him out on it either. "Oh I only read about the Oracle Drive in books. BTW this is how you use it." Also while I have heard of Yeul online in discussions - discussions that typically involved mocking Caius - I had no idea this was like an honorary name/title. Kinda like the Pope. Also i never knew she had anything to do with Noel.

    So after the boss and talk with Hope I went back to challenge those Behemoths which could destroy me earlier. They're no joke - you need three Ravagers to build up the Stagger Gauge in a timely manner. Even then it's not easy. I have my little Nekton buddy to help me out. I don't think he does much in the way of damage on his own but he's a Ravager and he helps build up Stagger quick. Plus his Overwhelm ability sounds pretty neat. Anyway, I doubt I'm the only person in the world who spent a lot of time grinding here. I kinda expected it but I won't deny it was a pleasant surprise when, after the sixth or seven battle, I got the Behemoth crystal. Already leveled him up as much as I can. 212 strength - amazing.

    I gotta say though, this game must take Preemptive Strikes into account for your scoring. I tried fighting the Behemoth "fairly" and it's so much harder. The Stagger gauge takes way, way, WAY longer to fill unless you have that bonus going into the battle. And if the fight dragons on he will destroy you.

    Anyway, after all that, I got another whole Crystarium Expansion. I decided to finally get an extra Accessory slot for Serah while giving Noel another ATB gauge. He's my healer so it seems like a smart move to give him as many turns as possible. Another lovely reward from all that was Cura. Cure hasn't been doing it for me but Cura should be very useful.

    Did I mention I decided to swap everything around? Subvert those tropes? Serah is now taking after her darling fiance. She will STEELGUARD our way to Lightning. Noel meanwhile I'm investing a lot of time into Synergist, Ravager and Medic. Protectga and Shellga should be a great help.

    This is my Paradigm setup at the moment: Cerberus X (COM/COM/COM with Behemoth) then Relentless Assault X (RAV/RAV/COM) then Bully (SAB/SYN/COM) and finally Solidarity (SEN/MED/COM) This seems good to me. I got my two offensive paradigms, my one full support paradigm and my one full defense paradigm. I know you can have a ton of paradigms set up but this isn't FFXII. You need to be able to switch through those things at lightning pace. The more paradigms, the longer it takes to switch. Also the more chances I'd have to select the wrong thing if I'm panicking.

    Hm...well at least Noel let on a little bit about there being something amiss here. He still hasn't said a word about Caius and I assume they know each other to some extent. He also seemed to know too much about the Oracle Drive for the fact this ancient Seeress and the girl he know sharing the same name just being a coincidence.

    The Oerba description doesn'tmakesense. Nobody knows Fang and Vanille saved everyone, they all think it was Lightning. Why are they protecting Fang's and Vanille's home? Actually no one has been very clear about that. Whenever someone says Lightning saved Cocoon by becoming the pillar, they don't mention Fang or Vanille at all. I mean, Lightning supposedly joining them to hold up Cocoon is all fine and good. But ifit's more "contentious" - that Lightning alone saved Cocoon - that's a whole otehr problem in itself.

    But I think I'm gonna stop there for tonight. It's been a very productive session, I feel like I'm getting the hang of this game and have become reasonably powerful. Now to just sleep and try to ignore how I'll probably get my ass handed to me next time. It always happens when I get too confident in my abilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover View Post
    I think the self-awareness varies wildly. Toriyama clearly intended you to take this seriously and to love his waifu.

    Don't try and pull a DMC here and make excuses. The people who made DMC thought Dante was legitimately cool and they were oh so very wrong and stupid.
    THANK YOU! DMC1 Dante was particularly awful in this respect because you could tell this isn't a character. This is a cool guy cliche sprouting off cool guy lines to try to convince you he's cool instead of just giving him a smurfing personality.

    I think the self-awareness varies too because to my knowledge drama in Japan can easily turn melodramatic when it comes over here. Even Metal Gear Solid is guilty of this. They take it seriously, and I guess... good for them if they enjoy it.

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    "You know what? For boss fights, I'm just not going to give a smurf about rank. I got 3 stars against this big dude in this next timeline - Aloeidai is its name apparently - and I am perfectly satisfied with my performance. For my monster in this fight I brought along the crazy wing dudes you find who are Synergists. I figured some buffing be good. Right now, Noel's only Synergist abilities are Protect so I figured Bravery and Faith would be great here. Sure my monster died about 1/2 or 3/4 through the fight but we did perfect as far as I'm concerned."
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    You can deck out your monsters with whatever adornments you like, and even name them. So, yes, if you want to plop a propeller hat on your Tonberry, you darn well can. xD

    Sounds like you're moving right along, though. I wouldn't worry about the rating much since you're in the beginning of the game. Once you really get into the battle system and level your characters, five star ratings will come down like Santa Claus just threw up all over your screen.

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    You know what I miss? XIII's weapon upgrade system. I thought it was awesome. You could conceivably stick to one weapon for the whole game, be it their starter or the first one you bought or anything else. Just keep upgrading for the whole thing. Like, if you got a weapon that Boosted Chain, you upgraded that until the Chain Bonus was a lot more. If you wanted stats, you bought the weapon that boosted those stat and just kept upgrading it until its stat boosts were maxed out. And so-on.

    I thought I could do that here when I read "Chain Lv. 1" as a trait for our new weapons but nope. I thought I could maybe upgrade that into Chain Lv. 2 and 3 and etc.. I'm disappointed now.

    I was about to say "smurf puzzles" but I actually liked the puzzle on Oerba. I found it actually intriguing and a real challenge and not just BS. For me it was like playing Memory. Maybe for smarter people you could do it one turn but I found the challenge to be remembering what crystals match up with what other crystal and then repeating it until you had them all down and could blitz through the puzzle super fast. It helps the crystals only have two forms.

    Hooray I got 5 stars out of Caius! I had to use one Phoenix Down because Serah died towards the end but I beat him in 2:47 with a Target Time of 4:36. I feel so special.

    Of course, I didn't beat him. He just kinda left. Also Noel you can't say "I won't fight you" after you just stabbed the guy a bunch.

    But hey, I don't get his deal. Doesn't destroying time count as changing it? Stop being a hypocrite, dude. It's not cool. Also I had no idea his little girlfriend was the real mastermind. She seemed to be the one calling the shots.

    Cool music for his boss theme. I haven't talked much about the music. In spite of what I've heard, I have yet to be "wowed." I think my favorite songs were the Bresha Ruins battle theme and the theme I just heard during the Caius fight.

    So I returned to Massif - the new, altered one - and was grinding a bit because I had just used up a ton of my CP. I think there are rare encounters in every area and I just ran into one. One of those bastards from XIII who can spawn a sword. At least I think it was one of them. It wasn't an easy fight and I only got 3 Stars but I did manage to beat it for a whopping 2000 CP. I love it.

    I was kind of rolling my eyes at the "oh Lightning IS alive!!" reaction when Serah saw the Prophecy in the new Massif. We know she's alive, dammit. We've established our goal was to travel to the time and place where she is. However, something more productive and interesting is happening. Somebody finally realized "holy trout, Cocoon crashing onto Pulse? Wasn't stopping that the whole point of the last game? Maybe we shouldn't allow the future where it fell to happen. Maybe we should try to save the human race" Real bunch of geniuses, this group.

    I dunno guys, what's more important, the fate of billions of lives, or finding Lightning? It's a tough decision, I can't deny.

    But at least now this is Chrono Trigger proper. Well, as shameful as it is to say, it's more like Chrono Cross. Not as good as CC mind you but the parallel realities and all that is totally a CC thing. CT had a very linear conception of time travel.

    Getting really annoyed here. Mog is drawing my attention to something here in this new place but I can't figure out what to do. There's nothing there I can grab as far as I can see and the little "reveal things"move doesn't do anything... Maybe I need Moogle Throw? When the hell do i learn that?

    Noel: We Hunter have a legend of a goddess. "It gave us strength when times were tough."

    You know, like when the bills are due, your girlfriend dumps you and THE WORLD ENDED. What do you mean "when times were tough." Times are always tough when you're the last humans alive. I mean, come on.

    ANYWAY....Interesting stuff with Caius and Yeul. What Yeul? Which Yeul? I have no idea. But she done died. Was it the same one who we talked to on her own and said she was like Serah? Or the creepy one with him in Oerba? Does it matter? Did we kill her by traveling through the Gate? That's kinda what the scene implied.

    Okay I'm gonna stop here and post this because I have no idea where to go. I got the Artefact in Massif 01X AF but all it did was take me to the Void Beyond and some other place. I can't do anything in either location and the game hasn't given me any clues on what my next move should be. I have learned the hard way that trying to use a FAQ just spoils things. I thought I had to do something in the Void Beyond and all I got from Googling that was spoilers about meeting Yeul in Episode 5 or something.

    So what the heck do i do now?


    Nevermind, I got it.
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    Well I just lost my update... smurf.

    Um.... what the hell did I say or do?

    I guess I should start by saying I am at the casino. 20,000 Gil and about a half hour later, I got the Lucky Coin Fragment. The game seems nice to be very nice to you, provided you can get the ball rolling. And it took a smurf ton of time to get the ball rolling.

    Okay, Fragments. I know I made a comment on that in my poor, lost update. I have 20/160. You have any idea how depressing that is? If there were only 100, I'd feel a bit better. But 160? Ugh. smurf you and your "True Endings."

    Finally, I actually read the Fragments for the first time in forever. The Tablet of Memory one was intriguing. All about how Yeul can send her visions through time to certain people. That would explain what hapened with Serah earlier where she collapsed. Of course, the Fragment also says it can only be sent to people with "chaos in their hearts." And here I thought Evil Serah was in the next game.

    Now let's rewind to what I said way back at the update that was lost. smurf YEAH IT'S SNOW! Out of frickin' nowhere too. Between him and Serah I think the 80s are definitely "in" in FFXIII and thus FFXIII is better than I used to give it credit for.

    But that whole thing with the big ass fla is so weird. It's like this game can't decide if it's serious or not. I know some people lament the 90s are gone because JRPGs were very schizo back then. You'd have this super serious commentary about environmentalism and then Cloud would seduce a pimp. But I think XIII-2 is at least a product of the 90s in spirit. It has that strange quirkiness to it amidst all the drama.

    Just so weird to go from the horrific image of Cocoon falling and wiping out the human race to learning that it was partly caused by "His Royal Ripeness"....

    I guess that fatass flan is another cause of Paradox Ending? If I beat it on my own?

    But Snow is a l'Cie again? How did that happen? I thought the fal'Cie were all gone except for that big one that caused the eclipse but didn't appear to do much else. XIII was terrible about establishing the fal'Cie's level of intelligence. Some were clearly human-like, others were just things. So who's to say if Fenrir or whatever it was has a mind like ours? He's the only fal'Cie I have seen in this game who could have re-branded Snow.

    What else... Oh at the Steppe I spent a good while grinding. Unlike XIII, this game is actually fun to explore and stuff. Pulse was easily the worst part of XIII because XIII was not made to be an open world game. As soon as it opened up, the whole thing went to hell. But here, I am having a great time looking around and stuff.

    I even got myself a way the smurf better monster than Behemoth. Cancanagh is a Saboteur yet it has about twice as much physical strength as my Behemoth. It's at 478 at present. It also has better Sab spells than Serah at the moment so overall it's the best party member by a lot.

    Although this reminds me of a question I am dying to know. How far does the Crystarium go? Serah is Level 68 Commando right now and, with an Accessory, has Str of a little over 200. But if Commando only goes up to 99, there's no way her strength will ever match that of the monsters. I figured there would come a point when Serah and Noel will actually be a lot stronger than any of the monsters with better stats but I dunno.

    Also while on the Steppe I ran into what looked to be the Jumbo Cactuar from FFVIII. smurfing time paradoxes. It killed me in one hit.

    Anyway I got the Chaos Crystal. Had no idea this was a Fragment. Immediately set out to try and get the Just 1 Gil and Setzer's Dice, thinking they were Fragments too. But I guess it was all beginner's luck with me earlier on because, after sinking over 1,000 Coins into the machine, no Jackpot. Maybe I should try Sazh's DLC at least for the card game?

    Anyway, stopping there. That slot machine got me all tired from staring at it for a half hour and getting nowhere. Tomorrow I will be visiting the infamous Academy 400 AF. I have heard of this place. Interested to see what all the fuss is about.

    Also I know I can give Hope the Chaos Crystal and get a Paradox Ending? I think? I dunno if I'll do that.

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    Ah, finally! I thought I was the only one who enjoyed the puzzles in this game. Temporal Rifts being muh favorite and I actually really like the clock puzzles (dunno if you've ran into one of those things or not). Helps to break up the gameplay nicely. There are a lot of weapons in this game, though, just not with as much customization as XIII's awesome upgrading system (which I also loved).

    I think Serah was still skeptical that Lightning was truly alive and needed confirmation that she wasn't just risking everything chasing after nothing, you know? I have no siblings myself, but if I had a sister and she suddenly disappeared and everyone around me believed she had died, I'd be relieved that I could see her, alive. And others could see her too.

    But yes, if you defeat the Royal Ripeness without traveling to the Archylte Steppe ???AF and weaken him, you'll get the Paradox Ending, "Mog's Marvelous Plan With Flan" which is worth it. Worth. It.

    You're forgetting that Pulse has fal'Cie as well and most of them aren't dormant (remember Titan, Atomos, Dahaka, those guys in XIII on Gran Pulse) and still have power. Since XIII-2 doesn't explain this as explicitly as it could, Snow (SPOILER)is branded a l'Cie again by the Pulse fal'Cie Cactuar.

    You're doing well with the number of Fragments you have. Generally, people finish the game with about, oh, probably sixty to seventy. A lot of the Fragments are easier to find once you finish the game the first time around anyways since you'll know where certain items are across the different time periods.

    Serah and Noel's Crystarium levels go up to level 99 for each of their roles.

    The slot machines in Serendipity actually have certain "moods" that determine your odds when gambling. Speak to the cat lady next to the machines and she'll tell you their moods and subsequently, profitability:

    "Someone's not a happy camper."
    Manual gambling: 95%
    Auto-gamble (holding down L1 or the left bumper if you're on X360): 71%

    "Poor thing's down in the dumps."
    Manual: 98%
    Auto: 76%

    "Not doing well, but it's not doing poorly either."
    Manual: 104%
    Auto: 80%

    "It's not bad, nothing special."
    Manual: 113%
    Auto: 86%

    "That machine's on fire!"
    Manual: 119%
    Auto: 91%

    "It's like a hot summer day!"
    Manual: 130%
    Auto: 99%

    So, if you have the patience and time to gamble, your odds are greatly increased by manually playing. But if you want to get the Lucky Coin Fragment, you need to win 7,777 coins total. Doesn't have to be one time. Make sure you're gambling when the slot machine is in the best mood so your odds are as good as they can get. Either manually play until you go insane or tape the L1 button on your controller, lol. Come back a few hours later and see if you got it. There's just a cutscene where a coin falls out of the machine that'll signal when you got the Fragment.

    Also, if you don't want to manually play, I'd suggest at least picking up the controller and manually playing if and when you hit "Victory Mode" or "Super Victory Mode" so you'll have better chances to score coins. If you need more coins to play and don't have enough gil, you can always run over to the chocobo races and beef up one of your chocobos (the Silver Chocobo is the best racer, irc). You can also bet on other chocobos or your own chocobo to maximize profits. Also, at least visit the chocobo race lobby and find the little chocobo chick hanging out on the left side of the room for the Chocochick Down Fragment. It sounds like you bought a Chaos Crystal from the casino lady, so good. You'll want to get all of the Chaos Crystals in order to build the best weapons for Serah and Noel in the game.
    Also, have you met the Mystic lady in Serendipity yet?

    Academia 400AF. Gawd. I hated that place the first time I played through it. You probably will, too. It's like a flippin' maze and monsters will constantly spawn and attack you. There's nothing terribly difficult about the place, so when you get there, just try and avoid most encounters (be warned that the Mog Clock will decrease much faster than normal) and get the fudge out of there. Don't bother with collectibles since you'll be able to get those in a much nicer time period, lol.

    Edit: forgot to mention that the figures I mentioned are from the official guide itself. I can't remember all of that myself. >.>

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    I already got Lucky Coin but thank you for the numbers. I needto know those so I can get more Coins to get the other Fragments. At least I assume Sezter's Dice and all that are Fragments. I had a feeling the Autoplay was screwing me over.

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    Well I mean it was a rhetorical question. Needless to say I'm wondering about a lot of things and kinda just vocalizing what is most prominently bouncing around in my head whilst waiting for the game to explain.

    Also in my original update that I lost I forgot to mention how Noel and Serah discussed that there is only one Yeul across all time. Well, not exactly,but sort of. Noel seemed very insistent the Yeul he knew wasn't the same as the previous ones, but at the same time he voiced the idea she was a reincarnation of that Yeul. So it was in fact the Yeul he knew. Unless you want to debate the metaphysics of Reincarnation and the question of spiritual identity. Like in the manga Angel Sanctuary two female angels were reincarnated with one being in the body of a male. Then the two reincarnated angels fell in love. Does this make them lesbians or straight?

    FFXIII-2 asks the tough questions.

    Where was I...? I'm sorry, my brain is fried after a day of playing poker. It's all my own fault, really. I was absolutely idiotic with the 10,000 Coins the Owner gives Sazh and lost it all. It got so bad I got below 1,000 and had to ask him for more. So much time spent regaining those coins... On the bright side, the "10,000 Table" is a breeze by comparison. I got 60,000 in a fraction of the time it took me to get to 10,000. Went and bought those otehr Fragments at once. Sadly there's still one more to go... Maybe it's from the Chocobo Races?

    Wait, wait, wait. I got it. On the topic of l'Cie Snow, Lightning did it, didn't she? She's a fal'Cie now too. Or something. She's like the fal'Cie of the fal'Cie or something from what I have heard. It goes B-Dude's Mom > B-Dude > Lindzei and Pulse and Etro but you subtract the Etro and put Lightning in that little hierarchy > the dudes from XIII. We haven't really seen anything of the Mid-Tier Deities but one would assume they can make l'Cie and trout too.

    Sorry I had all of this stuff spoiled for me when people were trying to explain XIII's ending. 'cuz I had no smurfing clue who Etro was and I paid attention to the story okay? It's not my fault I beat FFXIII with no goddam clue who Etro is. Stupid Deus Ex Machina ending. FIGHTING FATE MY ASS YOU WERE ONLY SAVED BY ETRO'S BITCH ASS. It's less fighting fate and more like being the tool of the goddess who is superior to the other god who was trying to use you.

    Good job, our heroes. And don't ever forget the fact they just did precisely what Bart told them to do down to the letter. FF Heroes screwing things up is a tine-honored tradition but usually there's some sort of manipulation in play. In XIII, Bart was honest to a fault. He told them from step 1 what he wanted them to do. AND THEY WENT AND DID IT ANYWAY.

    God the second half of terrible...what happened?

    Anyway, I had a point. Maybe "Goddess" Lightning gave Snow that power or something. It makes sense as a theory I think. But even if it is true, I couldn't really care less about knowing Lightning is the replacement for Etro. I culdn't care less about the character of Lightning. I'm playing this game for Serah and Noel and Caius and Yeul and all the other stuff. I'm playing this game for my future Tonberry with a Propeller Hat.

    WHY IS LIGHTNING ON THE COVER? She's not in this game. She sucks. This game isn't about her. It's like putting Tidus on the cover of X-2.

    Now my brain has sort of settled down and I'm not prone to ramble like I was doing just a moment ago, another thing I lost when i had to retype my previous update was Noel's interaction with Snow. He was kind of an ass to Snow but it was blatant hypocrisy on his part. Or rather, I guess you should call it projection. He was really yelling at himself when he called Snow an idiot. I'm at Academia right now and his line about not being able to protect Yeul reminded me to comment on this. Although, reallym I'm not sure who Noel hates or blames, himself or Caius. He had an earlier conversation during a Live Trigger when I asked him about Caius and he said something to the effect of "he ran off and left us." It seemed to me like he blamed Caius for leaving or something. I guess I'll find out later.

    So Academia is really cool. Dig the music both before Caius showed up and after. Right now I did a bit of grinding on the...whatever they are. BIg wing things and big hulky things. I think they're Cie'th? This is all because Caius took control of the Proto fal'Cie. It was fairly obvious from the narrator description and then what happens when you first arrive there that the Proto fal'Cie was behind all of this to some extent. To what extent, I don't know yet. My point is just that I did some grinding on those things. Got another Crystarium Expansion. If it wasn't fairly obvious already, the game decided to beat me over the head again witH SERAH MAGE NOEL WARRIOR by giving her a special RAV move and him a special COM move. In spite of how I'm building them, I was veyry tempted to take both of these because they're the only abilities to be unlocked using an Expansion. But I refrained because that isn't how I play either of them. I mean, Serah and Noel both go into "the other role" when I have to stagger an enemy or do other specific things but you get what I mean. Serah Physical, Noel Magical, deal with it.

    Also while it was a pain in the ass fighting those weak ass enemies, I got a ton of Potent Orbs out of it and with them managed to level up my Behemoth. It's now got a Strength stat of 430. Loving it.

    I tried fighting the Geiseric because, while it's huge, it has a ridiculously weak Stagger resistance. Problem is that: a) it can kill us all in about one hit and B) even while Staggered we can't do any substantial damage to it.

    Well, substantial for this game. We do like 10,000 or maybe 20,000 damage before it recovers but it has over 200K HP so that isn't a great help.

    The boss was stupid. "I can make myself invincible whenever I want!" And I got 1 star for it because of that. smurf you game. I thought I was doing something wrong when it just kept blocking everything. True, some of the blaem lies with me because I didn't realize it caused Wound and that was why Noel wasn't healing us properly but still. smurf you game. That was a dumb boss. I spent most of the boss fight on that first form because HE'S INVINCIBLE. Take your one star and shove it up your ass, game.

    Okay Noel being sad that Yeul had to die is one thing but why is Serah breaking down? Yeul is just one other person who is dying here. We've run passed screaming, terrified, probably about to be horribly maimed people this entire timeline and now she's breaking down? I guess if you want to be charitable it's more the full impact of what Caius said and Yeul's death is just the straw that broke the camel's back. But I'm not inclined to be charitable after that one star and that retarded boss fight. Stop insisting everyone give a trout about this girl when they have no reason to.

    I have made this observation before but gameplay really is the worst part of any video game when it comes to the story. It just totally sucks you out of the plot. These could be the best characters ever written by man and I still wouldn't care about this cutscene after that boss fight.

    Holy trout I'm leaving Academia but there are a ton of Fragments left there. I guess I'll have to go back? Like the story will actually take me back there?

    Also erah, Yeul said Caius wasn't there because he can teleport and stuff. He just left ie. he is not there. Yet she's reading into it like YUeul meant something entirely different, like the Caius we chased around was a clone or imposter.

    Ehhhh...I'm feeling better. I just smurfing hate this rating system!!! It makes me feel like trout. Don't judge me game. I can snap your disk in half or...well, I can't because I downloaded it but you get what I mean. I bought your troutty game and you should be grateful to me, not spitting in my face. Stupid one star...HE WAS INVINCIBLE. Every time he could be Staggered I attacked and attacked and attacked. How was I supposed to get it done quicker?

    Forget it, I'm working myself up over nothing. This game is a hunk of trout and what it thinks of me doesn't matter. I'll 1 star every fight and you know what? It won't matter. Because I will still beat the game. I will be better than the game because I beat it.

    If you couldn't tell, I'm very touchy about when I feel like someone is talking down to me. A 1 star rating is the game calling me inept and I don't much care for being insulted.

    Does anyone actually read all of this? Be honest, do you guys just kinda sim it? I wouldn't blame you if that's what you do, especially since this update is just a lot of rambling, ranting and overall a waste of Internet space.

    Anyway I'm gonna post this and take a break from the game. In spite of my anger at the rating system, I like this game quite a lot. I'm already at about 30 hours and I predict many more to come. I'm intrigued to find out about this Forbidden History because "Noel and Serah were the ones to doom Time" is something I didn't expect.I thought the game was gonna be about stopping Caius from dooming time. Unless by telling us "what we had done" he was playing a huge time travel gambit to make us do it in the first place. That is something I can see happening. I guess I'll see in a bit once I've relaxed a bit and cooled my jets so I'm not so worked up over what a video game thinks of my gaming ability.


    This is one of the many reasons I don't play DMC.


    If I'm honest with you all, I just now realized I can switch monsters in battle. So yeah...I am inept. I should just take my 1 star for the truth that it is.


    I was positively thrilled to learn I can't get the ending for Lightning's DLC unless I 5 star the final battle. I eagerly look forward to the game more blatantly taking a huge dump on me.
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    I read everything, honest!

    Snow was made a l'Cie again by a Pulse fal'Cie called Cactuar, who is basically a massive Cactuar. This is only explained in codices and stuff.

    Lightning was turned into a valkyrie by Etro in order to be her guardian: Etro DOES have powers, but can't really use them directly. She can influence events and give power to others, though.

    Here's the low-down on the divine hierarchy:

    Bhunivelse - the creator God. Created Pulse. He had a mother, but he overthrew her, because reasons. Probably because he's just a massive trouthole.His mother created at least some of the universe, including the Unseen Realm where souls go after you die. That's where she ended up after Bhunivelse defeated her.

    Pulse, Lindzei and Etro - these three were created directly by Bhunivelse. After creating them, Bhunivelse went into a crystal sleep (because he's a lazy trout) and ordered them to find a way into the Unseen Realm, probably in order to make sure his mum was really gone for good. In a mirror image of Barthandalus's stupid idea, Pulse, Lindzei and Etro decide that one of them needs to kill themselves in order to wake up Bhunivelse, because of daddy issues. Etro does this, but doesn't quite die, what with being divine and all. She ends up in the Unseen Realm. Lindzei uses her blood to create human beings. In the Unseen Realm, she meets Bhuni's mum just as she's dying for good, who charges her with becoming the goddess of the underworld, ensuring that human souls are reborn again after death.

    The Fal'Cie - these guys are created by Pulse and Lindzei in order to run things in their absence. Pulse and Lindzei decide to bugger off somewhere, presumably because they're bored house-sitting the universe for their sleeping boss/father. Lindzei created Cocoon and the Cocoon Fal'Cie, Pulse created the Pulse Fal'Cie. In XIII, the Cocoon Fal'Cie are trying to draw Lindzei's attention, because daddy issues. Lindzei is the creator who Barthandalus is always going on about. The Pulse Fal'Cie don't really seem to care about Pulse being gone.

    Quite a lot of this isn't really explained in the game, although you can get by perfectly well with only a vague understanding of it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Carnelian View Post
    I read everything, honest!

    Snow was made a l'Cie again by a Pulse fal'Cie called Cactuar, who is basically a massive Cactuar. This is only explained in codices and stuff.

    Quite a lot of this isn't really explained in the game, although you can get by perfectly well with only a vague understanding of it all.
    This, the first part especially, is one of the biggest flaws in the game. The game expects players to read through tons of dry text to find out what is actually going on, instead of showing it to you in a game-y way.

    While you can get by without understanding most of the second part, the world is simply just boring if you don't.

    As most people probably know by now, I am far from a fan of these games, but even I will admit that the trilogy has some pretty interesting lore. What ticks me off is just that the game is so horrendously bad at presenting said lore to the player in an interesting way (if at all). It could have been as easy as overhearing a child asking her mother to tell her what a falcie is, or where the world came from.
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    In the True Ending, is there also a True Final Boss? Maybe Caius in his Super Duper Form? If I'm wrong don't tellme who the final boss is, just curious if there is a special boss.

    Anyhow, I had two Wild Artefacts, one I had picked up from somewhere and another I had bought at the casino. I used one to unlock the Acamedia gave to another version of Massif and then in this new Massif I found another Gate which I unlocked and it goes to...., uh, I forget right now. It's not important rightnow. Right now I'm trying to do all the stuff for these crystalized people.

    The "crystal clock" puzzle was interesting. I hated it but not because it's bad. I'm just not good at this kind of thing. I'm bad with numbers. You know those tests that determine what aptitude we have in what field? Maths was always something I was bad at and I subsequently never tried. I carried the spirit of that into this puzzle and just kept ding stuff until it worked. Best puzzle so far is the crystal matching puzzle because I love Memory. That is something I amvery good at. Well I'm better at it than math.

    What else, what else, what else... Oh! I just got myself a Green Chocobo. Awesome. Now I finally realized I can have multiple monsters, I can have a true defense paradigm. SEN/MED/MED, for those sticky situations I'll no doubt find myself in.

    And I got a Blessed Blade for Noel. That's pretty nice of you game, giving your Warrior a Magic-boosting weapon. Now I just need a weapon that substantially increased Serah's strength....

    Also I read the Book of Valhalla Fragment. XIII-2 supports Social Darwinism it seems. "Serah can beat up monsters therefore they must be her slaves now."

    So I did one Fragment quest in the new Massif but the next one has a little boy asking for proof of his potential and what he might have been. Am I correct in assuming I have to find him in another timeline? Or something like that?

    So Sunleth Waterscape 400 AF? Amazing. 6 Fragments in a quick, simple and easy fashion. Don't ask me how the lil' flans understood Serah enough to understand her scolding htem, or why Crazy Chocobo was playing.

    So I was looking for this lady's watch in 010 Massif. Said to find the watch when the eclipse ended. So I went to 01X AF Massif or whatever it is. No luck finding a watch but I found an Onyx Crystal. I now have an Ivory and Onyx Crystal and no idea what either is for.

    I guess it's entirely possible that the eclipse will actually end in the lady's original timeline. I mean, they can't just have a huge fal'Cie coming out of nowhere for no reason. It has to be addressed later on in the story and then the eclipse will end maybe and I can find her watch and get the Fragment.

    I guess it's time to return to the main story now and find out the FORBIDDEN TRUTH DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNN

    Also I'm convinced the "Story So Far" is intended to be a joke. The soap opera music is only part of it but as I keep loading games I can't help but notice that none of the clips they show make any goddam sense. There's no way anyone could look at those Story So Far segments and understand one second of XIII-2.

    In Augusta Tower now and I was like "man, smurf me, I wasted both my Wild Artefacts!" But no, there was another one right there. This game is so nice to you sometimes.

    But before I continue on with that, Noel backstory out of nowhere. He's only ever mentioned being a Monster Hunter, first I've heard he was actually in charge of protecting the Seeress. I mean, it was pretty obvious as I observed earlier on when he knew alla bout the Oracle Drive and whatnot. Still, it's a neat little note that he and Caius weren't just random buddies with Yeul, they were in fact Yeul's protectors. I guess the Farseer tradition thing survived even the end of the Farseers. At least, I assumed they were all wiped out when Cocoon fell. Or because of that war that happened because Cocoon was falling.

    Argh, the Steppe is pissing me off. I'm off Gate hunting because I already tried the last gate in Bresha and all it does is take me to another version of Bresha. The only other place I have with an unopened Gate is the Steppe. And I found the Gate but it's locked. The hell? To compound my annoyance, there is a treasure orb right by it but it's high up on this rock thing. I tried Moogle Throw but Mog is stupid and even when I got him up there he wouldn't go to the slightly higher place and get the treasure. I don't think it's possible to throw him right up to the highest point where the treasure is....

    Okay I'm posting this now because I got no clue where to go. The Steppe Gate doesn't work and it looks to me like the entire left half of the Steppe is blocked off from you? I've tried looking around but there's a huge ass chasm in the way and I can't figure out how to get over to it, or even if I'm supposed to be able to get over to it now.

    That's a huge problem with this game. I can't tell sometimes if I'm just missing something or if I'm not supposed to be able to do it yet. In fact, that's an entire theme in this update. The lady's Watch, the other part of the Steppe, the treasure on that high up place.... I just don't know.


    Well I decided to go to Bresha Ruins 300 AF anyway just in hopes it was the placeI had to go. It has a Gate in it to a new place so it could be... I'm still exploring but I just got a Wild Artefact from the weird quest with the jokester and his dead friend. So I guess I didn't lose anything. Also got the Flower Petal for that other guy at last so yay more Fragments.

    My dreams of a Tonberry with a silly hat will have to wait. I ran into one in Bresha 300 AF and it kinda owned me. I thought we stood a chance because it couldn't one hit kill me, and we were doing at least some damage but it was really an exercise in futility.

    AHHHH1!!!! The Gate here only takes me to another version of Massif that doesn't even have a Gate in it at all!!!
    smurf smurf smurf smurf smurf. My Wild Atefact, wasted. Mothersmurfing game. Now I not only need to find the smurfing gat eI've been smurfing looking for all this time, i need to find ANOTHER Wild Artefact. Son of a bitch.

    Does this game even want me to care about its story? That whole BS with "go find another Gate to the Tower and pursue Caius" is the most ridiculously retarded thing I've ever heard. It's actively discouraging you from following the narrative. It's telling you to go off and explore and look around and, as I'm doing right now, get frickin' lost. I mean, come on.

    I mean, I got 3 Fragments, a ton of Gil and all that good stuff. But I couldn't care less about that right now because I just want to continue the main quest. Let me actually follow your stupid plot, game.

    What did I get out of Bresha 300? Someone attacked the Academy? Well geez, I wonder who. Stupid waste of my time, stupid waste of mY Artefact and now I have to waste MORE time finding another Artefact just so i can continue looking for the stupid Gate I've beenlooking for this whole time.

    Well I'm stopping for tonight. This whole session was a bust as far as I'm concerned. Yes I got a lot of Fragments out of it but I DON'T WANT TO DO SIDEQUESTS RIGHT NOW. This night was supposed to be about story. I've done a lot of exploring lately and wanted to focus on the story more. But the game stuck its middle finger up and said screw you and screw our story, go get lost and waste hours of your life.

    Tomorrow I'll just continue on, vainly searching for another Wild Artefact to another Gate. Maybe then I can actually play the game the way I want to? Yes? No? Maybe?

    You know it wouldn't be so bad except ya know what? I look at my Fragment Counter...40/160. Well I feel like I really accomplished something over these last 40 hours of gameplay. Only 120 more to go. Only 3 times as many as I have already collected. Well gee, don't I feel like I've done so very much.

    I got the last Fragment from fighting this giant Cie'th lady boss thing in Massif...01X maybe? I got zero stars from it because it took me 11 minutes when it was only supposed to take me 5 but the lady had some sort of status effect that kept me from using my abilities. I don't know what it was or how to cure it. But every time I was blocked off from attacking her Stagger Gauge reset to zero. That's why it took me so long.

    The only thing - THE ONLY THING - I feel like I did tonight was get really powerful. I had 60,000 CP stored up and for this Cie'th boss I used up all of it.

    Serah is now Level 99 Commando and Level 92 Sentinel, Noel is Level 99 Ravager and Level 99 Synergist.

    I'm beginning to think I might need a Triple Med Paradigm... I'll have to unlock Medic with Serah next chance I get I guess. Even with Noel and Green Chocobo, they couldn't heal that great against this boss. With a Triple Med though I should be safe in most future battles. On the other hand, I'm guessing some bosses, like this lady, will just completely reset their Stagger gauge if you let up for more than a second. If that is indeed what she was doing, I don't know.

    I need to get better weapons for Serah and Noel. That didn't help in this fight. I need the next tier of weapons to boost chain gauge/ATB. But I got no Abominable Wings or Iron Shells so....

    Actually, wait, hold on. I forgot the entire reason I went to Massif 01X was because I noticed, WAY TOO LATE, that it had a Gate I hadn't opened. Let me guess, that was the one I was supposed to go through all along? And I was doing sidequests there in hopes I'd find a Wild Artefact to open it but then the Cie'th boss took forever and now I'm just tired of this game.
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    Well I defeated the Geiseric in Academia in the hope it would open up a path to something where I could get a Wild Artefact. But nope, it just opened a path to nothing because the place was blocked off. Also I got zero stars because it took me a minute longer than it should have to kill it. Our offense was fine as far as I could tell, the problem was surviving its hits.Some we could live through, others would kill Serah in one blow. Most of that extra minute was spent on reviving people.

    Only worthwhile thing to come out of my latest trip there was another Crystarium Expansion. Unlocked Medic Role for Serah and another Accessory slot for NOel. Serah has mastered Sentinel now and....maybe one other thing? I dunno.

    Their SYN abilities are total trout, by the way. Same for SAB. That one monster I got earlier, the Gancanagh or whatever the smurf i twas, had level II debuffs, like Imperil II or something. One would think our heroes would have the second level of debuffs. But nope, Serah and Noel apparently just have troutty Poison which does not seem to be as awesome in this game as the last one. I guess Deshell and Deprotect are nice provided they actually work.

    Anyway, I refuse to look up Wild Artefact locations. If one of you want to tell me, I'd appreciate it. But at this point, after all these hours of effort, giving in and looking up a FAQ is just the kind of trout this game wants me to do. I refuse to play that game. I should really start a point system wherein I deduct a point every time I have to actually look online for the solution to a problem in this game.

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