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    Idk i cleared it without a faq. Didn't use that until i wanted to 100% it.
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    Did you also waste 3 or 4 Wild Artefacts getting nowhere while looking for the second Gate to Augusta Tower? You know like the game demands you do for no real reason?

    Believe me, I've been looking for more of them. I'm doing all the sidequests I can find. And I still don't know if the left half of the Steppe is supposed to be barred off from me by that big chasm or if I can get around it.

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    i wasted one or two, but i didn't feel like it was a problem. i liked exploring things randomly

    if it was demanded, it wasn't really a waste . then it just was exactly how many wild artefacts were required to progress
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    I don't mind exploring either. I've spent whole days exploring. Which is why I wanted to progress the goddam story but I'm not going anywhere until I stumble upon another Wild Artefact which seems increasingly unlikely as I have multiple sidequests active and, even if one of them could potentially yield a Wild Artefact which is no sure thing, I'm not even sure I can complete them at the moment. This game activates so many sidequests before you can actually complete them and it's retarded.

    So, in short, the story saying "Caius is five feet over there. Go find a way to warp space and time to get to him" is stupid and bad game design. It has not only ruined my enjoyment of the game and its story, it is actively making me not want to explore. I hate this game right now.

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    Well you disliked the game before you started, and there have been several posts telling you the game isn't very good, so this doesn't really come as a surprise
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    No artifact is wasted. They serve just to open areas.

    To get to the other side of the steepe you have to activate all the cactuar statues. You might want to do the goblin and sheep quests first. I'm sure you will find the artifact you need there.

    Keep trying to open up the gates, some of the wild artifacts are well hidden. You may actually need a guide. Just watching a youtube video on "Wild Artifacts" would help. I believe you have to see academia in another time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sora_lion_heart View Post
    No artifact is wasted. They serve just to open areas.

    To get to the other side of the steepe you have to activate all the cactuar statues. You might want to do the goblin and sheep quests first. I'm sure you will find the artifact you need there.

    Keep trying to open up the gates, some of the wild artifacts are well hidden. You may actually need a guide. Just watching a youtube video on "Wild Artifacts" would help. I believe you have to see academia in another time?
    I did the Goblin and Sheep stuff forever ago.

    But I guess that makes sense about the Cactuar statues... I got two already.

    Thank you so much for your help though. I was going to postthis before I read your response. It still works, even if now I have some purpose:

    In an extremely vain hope that I might be able to get my Wild Artefact back, I tried Close Gate on Massif 110. That didn't work. At least something interesting happened. These sidequests have actually had some plot relevance. Yeul of that time apparently sacrificed the entire city in order to seal up a spacetime distortion or a monster or both. It's all getting jumbled around in my head, the different time periods and stuff. I can't recall if it was Massif 100 where, after completing one Fragment quest, Serah and Noel had a conversation about how this wasn't an ordinary Paradox and Yeul had sacrificed the city in order to contain it. But then later on, like right after I fixed the distortion I made in Massif 110, Noel mentioned Yeul sealed away a monster.

    My brain is not wired for story right now.... I'm so numb and just out of it after all the monotony and hopeless wandering.
    Also yes an Artefact can be wasted when all you want to do is continue the main story and the game smurfs you over.

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    The main story is not worth playing for anyway. Just play for other reasons and take whatever story you get whenever you get it.
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    I couldn't care less if the plot is terrible, it's what I wanted to do last night. I had been on sidequests for two whole days or thereabouts. I wanted to accomplish something.

    Skyrim doesn't have the best plot ever either but I was playing that right before this. After a couple days of wandering through dungeons and trout you get bored.


    Well I have made it to the second Gate in Augusta Tower. I wanted so badly to say screw you game, you tried to screw me over but I beat you. But I can't. I ended up finding out about a Wild Artefact in the Steppe from a guide.

    So I am the loser. You have won this round, XIII-2.


    I suppose it wasn't all a waste... I have 50 Fragments, I found a good supply of Essences, which I need for my Behemoth and Green Chocobo, and I also got an Entite Ring (20% Resistance to all Elements) Also got a lot of Gil and CP.

    Maybe when the end ofthe game comes I'll feel like my suffering was worth it. If I'm honest with you all, that happens a lot in these new RPGs I play. Granted, my aimless lost wanderings don't usually last this long and aren't as frustrating but it does happen quite a lot. I curse and I scream but I end up liking the game anyway. I mean, hell, Xenogears had Babel Tower a dungeon that literally puts fear into my gut. Yet Xenogears is my favorite JRPG ever.

    I'm gonna go eat and then see if XIII-2 can pull this one out of the trash and bounce back.

    I don't blame any of you for wandering off, BTW. I would have gone away too if I wasn't a stubborn jackass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover View Post
    Maybe when the end ofthe game comes I'll feel like my suffering was worth it.
    You'll probably hate yourself even more for completing it than you do now for trying to complete it.
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    Well it looked cool and sounded cool. Plus there was the whole mystery of IS THAT CAIUS OR NOT? Still don't know what's up with that.

    Huh...it seems to me that Noel and Serah don't even know why they are here in this other Augusta Tower? Maybe? The intro cutscene didn't say anything like "we need to fix spacetime and go pursue Caius in the other timelin." Either this is some time travel mojo or you are allowed to go to this version of Augusta Tower long before the plot has you go to the other version.

    The latter idea seems possible because this is like a tutorial dungeon. It warned me of a maze and I braced myself for puzzles but all that happened was you press a button and maybe press it again and...that's it. This mae feels very lackluster compared to the usual stuff this game throws at me. It even has helpful messages directing you to do stuff rather frequently.

    Noel: Heh, that was a lot of work for one access key.

    Noel, have I ever told you that you're my favorite character in all of fiction?

    Alyssa? I always knew she was crazy. She's the female HAL that was watching us and plans to kill everyone.

    So the Forbidden History is that an evil AI was behind everything/ The Proto fal'Cie wasn't just hijacked by Caius but was evil all along? I guess this would explain why the Academy kinda sucks. All those people in the different versions of Bresha and Massif complaining about why the Academy didn't send help to deal with the Paradoxes and endlessly spawning monsters, it's not that they were incompetent, they were actively malevolent.

    That's all fair game to me. What I don't get is why Caius cares. Unless he is a robot too, like Alyssa.

    Ya know the game just keeps making light of the fact poor Noel is having his memories screwed with. He thought of a reason it couldn't be Caius behind all this and the way Serah phrased it was kinda sarcastic or snarky in my mind. "I'm worried about you" is what she should say but the tone made it sound like she wasn't that serious. Plus the way he dismissed it, "I left all my important memories in the future under a rock or something" is also a bit too jokey for something this serious. I can only hope they are playing cool and are actually sincerely worried. I'm worried for him.I know Serah dies but right now I'm more worried about Noel's eroding identity.

    I wonder where Noel is in XIII-3? I know where Snow. I think he goes crazy because Serah is gone and the end of the world is coming. I mainly remember a friend of mine telling me about Snow partying with a bunch of strippers. I remember this because I got upset. That is a decidedly un-Snow thing to do.

    So I was right. It was a doombot. Er, Caiusbot. Well that seems needlessly convoluted. Why would the AI even impersonate Caius?

    Anyway, another Yeul down. Our heroes keep missing the fact she is repeatedly dying. Well, they saw the one death but it was an actual like, killing death. They've missed the other ones where she just seems to collapse and die because...I don't know. You'd think if the Seeress died from simply using her power, the tradition would have ended long ago. I guess there has to be one specific "trigger" vision that does it? I'm sure it will be explained, I'm just theorizing here.

    But yeah, since it wasn't Caius who massacred everyone in Academia 400, he hasn't been much of a villain or antagonist at all really.

    So what did you guys think to do with the Proto fal'Cie? Scream at Hope or Throw Mog?

    Wait, luring out the original wasn't right? Well smurf me. I went with Throw Mog because I figured it was just silly enough to work... No go there either. I guess I'll try yelling at Hope next....

    Well hey, the timeline is back on track and so am I. This new Academia seems a lot less...hellish than the last one. I hope you are happy, Yeul #5555555512. RIP. But frickin' Hope the Immortal here man. I'm pretty sure he's not a doombot. I guess human technology can indeed equal or surpass fal'Cie tech. Which is good because one of the better plot elements from XIII was how humans were actually better than the fal'Cie. We have potential while they were all eternally slaves, even if they were fantastically powerful slaves. Itwas actually a really cool bit of storytelling and I wish the game had focused more on it.

    But yes, I'm back onboard with this game. There is still much to do, much to learn, many Fragments to collect. Also a lot of Augustus Tower to explore to get that Fragment...ugh. I should have known the moment they had a percentage thing that 100% each map would be required to get a bonus. Nevertheless, my faith in XIII-2 has been restored. I'm glad it seems the story is finally taking Noel's disappearing future memories more seriously.

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    Academia! Probably one of my favourite and least favourite locations from this game. The last Academia is just UGH.
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    So I'm certain the computer is literally a cheatingbastard. I want Librascopes so I'm back at the casino. Problem: they each cost 10.000 Coins. So I'm playing Poker as Sazh since it is easily the most efficient way to rack up mad amounts of Coins. I'm at the 100K Table and the only person left is "D" - the Dealer. And he always folds when I'm about to complete a good hand. He has folded several times when I was one card away from a Straight and he just did it now when I was one card away from a Flush. smurf you game.

    In more plot relevant news, I totally forgot to mention this last update,but Yeul said she has the Eyes of Etro while Caius has the Heart of Chaos. Now, disregarding that this is the second broody Square character implanted with a Chaos Item that grants him great power (hello, Dirge of Cerberus), I don't know of any entity named Chaos in XIII. Etro is the Goddess so Yeul having her eyes is fine. But I have no idea who XIII Chaos is or why Caius would have his heart. I'm wondering if Chaos is an actual entity like Etro or somethingmore abstract. MAYBE I SHOULD CONSULT THE DATALOG.

    Nope, not gonna happen. Explain it in the game or it doesn't matter. Just like the whole mythos didn't matter in XIII because it was all explained in side garbage.

    Also I just realized something In XIII, you had a full party except for most of the game. Then in XIII-2 they dwindled it down to two characters. Then in XIII-3, only one. The developers had a clear mentality of MORE CHARACTERS = MORE BAD. If, god forbid, there was a XIII-4, what would they even do? How do you have less than one playable character?

    You can honestly see the MORE CHARACTERS = MORE BAD Philosophy in effect in XIII itself. There's the playable characters, three antagonists (Bart, Yaag and Jihl), three side characters of note (Serah, Cid, the other one who works for Cid) and that's it. I guess you could be really generous and throw H Ope's mom and dad and Snow's gang into the last column but you'd be really stretching it considering how minimal their role is in the story. I think you meet more plot relevant characters in Midgar iN FFVII than you do the entire game of FFXIII.

    Huh, Librascopes don't cost quite as much as I thought. Oh well, I bought 21 of them. Figure that will be enough for a long time since I mainly plan ot use them for boss fights. I don't know if the Libra info tells you if the boss is immune or vulnerable to certain status effects but that is mainly what I want to be able to scan them for. That way,I don't waste time trying to put Deprotect or Deshell on something when it won't even work. I also forgot you can get Ribbons there so I snatched those up. I'm more worried about status effects than anything else right now. Also bought 5 Phoenix Bloods incase of emergencies.

    I really don't knowwhy Serah and Noel have such useless Synergist abilities. Okay they're not useless per se but why do they have not Bravery or Faith or Haste? I mean, atleast give one of those to them. Maybe give Serah Faith and Noel Bravery. I have a Gigantaur now and I almost want to put it in my party just for Bravery.

    So I really dig the new Academia. All the versions of Massif kinda got boring and I felt like the alternate timeline intriue had run its course. But I think that's just because that place sucks in general. Going from the nightmarish Academia to Utopia Academia is really cool and actually capitalizes on the greatness of time travel and changing things. It also makes you feel good because you did this. You have saved all these people and given them a better life. You have done a great thing our heroes.

    Okay,these Brain Blast things are bulltrout. Well, half of them are BS, the other half are reasonable. Some are intuitive, some you will know based on basic knowledge of FF or FFXIII and then the rest are just impossible. But I kept at the first one I found for a solid 20 or 30 minutes because I knew what would happen when I solved it. And I was right, a Fragment. This frickin' game... I have no doubt that this quiz game is absolutely essential to understanding the true ending the true final boss. Why, I bet the true ending is that you and Caius sit down and have a game of Trivial Pursuit to decide the fate of the universe.

    So I haven't reallyc ommented on my monster progress. I got a bunch of new monsters from Augusta Tower and decided to try out my first bit of Monster Infusion. I gave my Behemoth Stagger Maintenance. He's part of my Triple Commando Team so I figured that sounded like a good thing for him to have. Then again, unelss I'm missing it, I don't know exactly what each role does. Some you can guess at, like I did with Stagger Maintenance but others are a bit more complicated, like "Pack Mentality." I have no idea what exactly that translates to.

    But yeah, I don't know if I want to do any more Infusion because I figure I'm going to be getting better monsters later on so I should just wait. My Behemoth and maybe my Green Chocobo are the only monsters I have at present that seem like they might stick around for at least most of the game, if not all of it. I also have a Red Chocobo which seems pretty cool if I level him up more. He has nice abilities at least.

    Do I literally have to get every monster's data in the game in order to get this Fragment or do I just need a lot of them? Because to get data don't you need to use Librascopes? Or do you just have to kill the monster? Libascropes aren't that cheap or easy and there must be...I dunno, a hundred different monsters in the game? Maybe 200? Does it not count bosses?

    Collect Graviton Cores? Really game? What happened? Is there an opposite of being railroaded? Ever since Augusta Tower it's like the game is beating you over the head with excuses to go off and do other things. I had like, 3 already I think. I just looked up the rest because, quite frankly, if the game doesn't care, I'm not going to care. Besides, I freely admit I stand no chance when it comes to finding some Fragments. Like the ones where Mog doesn't light up, or the ones where you have to use a Chocobo to reach them. The only reason I found most of the ones so far is because Mog will draw attention to them and the only reason I know where to jump normally is because there's that little glowy symbol indicating you can. I can't see that good, it's just a fact, and I won't notie things a lot of the time on my own.

    It's really smurfing stupid to introduce the mechanic of Mog lighting up and saying "LOOK HERE!!!" and then to not always use it. What the hell, game.

    I've learned a lot about Serah this session. I learned she's a frickin' liar.

    "I won't get lost this time, I promise."

    Several hours later, she's still getting lost.

    I spent so much time in the Labyrinths in Oerba 300... Those crystal matching puzzles are merciless on the timing.

    Well I was going to wait to post this but I've got 68 Fragments, about 80,000 CP and, if what Serah and Noel just none too subtly foreshadowed is accurate, the plot is finally going to actually start moving again. After I get some sleep I can return to Caius finally showing what he's all about. I have no illusions this will be the final showdown like Serah said but I do think things will actually happen. Interesting things, hopefully.

    Also I'm hording all that CP because I trivialized the Proto fal'Cie. I don't think he was supposed to be that hard anyway but I do feel overpowered. I'll hold off on upgrading my characters until it feels necessary.

    Also, I'm curious, what outfis do you have Serah and Noel wear? I stick with Style and Steel for Serah and Black Mage for Noel.

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    Hm, the game never refers to "chaos" as an entity, but a type of substance or state of matter. They do explain it (even moreso in Lightning Returns, but the English translation kind of effs up terms) even if it can be confusing. Chaos is just what Etro gave to humans out of her fondness for them. It's a piece of their heart. Etro also did this as a way to balance out the "chaos" (black, whispy smoke type of things you've seen in cutscenes) in Valhalla with the chaos in humans' hearts in the mortal realm. Think of it like a balance beam: there needs to be a controllable amount of chaos in both realms. Caius's heart is an example of that. He literally owns Etro's heart, which is in part made up of chaotic matter. I don't think you've quite gotten to the part where Caius kind of states his motives, so wait and see.

    Aren't side-quests usually started before you complete them, haha? This game isn't any different and you're not on a time limit, so don't feel pressured to complete all of the side-quests immediately.

    FFXIII's party did change over three games but I honestly think it was a great evolution and something that was pretty risky of the developers to try. Granted, I think XIII-2 should still be considered to have a three-party-member system, but Lightning Returns pretty much gives Lightning all of the abilities of a full party. That's what makes the changes so unique and fun to play, imo. I don't think SE thought the changes were bad, but instead were continually trying to do something new and different than what had been done in the franchise before. Honestly, I really commend them for it.

    Libra works exactly like Librascope does; only difference is that casting Libra uses TP and Librascope scans all enemies on the field instead of targeting one.

    Hm...if I remember correctly, Noel has Faith and Bravery, but neither have Haste (which I really miss). Haste is somewhat of a rare status enhancement that you trigger by preemptive strikes or other methods (which I can't remember, sorry).

    Brain Blast, oh gawd. I have a guilty pleasure for it. I first played XIII-2 when I had pneumonia and spent hours playing that damn game. The true/false questions annoy me, but I love the cool trivia that you learn about the world through the game. There's also a side-quest linked to Brain Blast if I remember correctly. Linked to Captain...something or other. (SPOILER)He's a type of copy of Lieutenant Amodar in XIII.

    Tip: to get the only silver chocobo in the game, use Moogle Throw in the Academy HQ building where Hope is in the back. Throw Mog into the green sphere in the middle of the room and ta-da~ You'll have both a great sentinel or a great racing chocobo.

    That freakin' Fragment...yes, you must have all the data from every single monster in the game. However, this does NOT mean you have to obtain complete data for each monster; just having the entry in your bestiary is enough. This even means monsters that are different across different timelines. The weakened Royal Ripeness in the Sunleth Waterscape, for example. You'll need to get his original data from before he's weakened.

    It sucks that you're having a hard time seeing the indicators on the screen, but I don't really think that's the game's fault...I mean, I know for a fact that the game gave a quick tutorial on chocobo riding and jumping/gliding, or at least a notification to read a short tutorial in the Datalog. You mentioned not knowing how to get across the Steppe divide, but that one's pretty easy. You pretty much just need the hunters' chocobos to get over there (that part of the Steppe is a great place to farm for materials based on the weather, btw).

    As for Mog, sometimes he'll find things that are hard to see, but if you throw him in the direction of where he's glowing, you can usually find the item. Also, some items are spread out across timelines. So maybe Mog will light up for an item in one timeline but the item itself is actually in an alternate timeline of that location. Kind of strange, but eh.

    The Graviton Cores are pretty easy to collect. Just visit the lady at the front desk in the Academy building and she'll give you information on where to find them. There'll be little pictures showing you exactly where they are, and descriptions iirc. Also, it'd probably be a good time to collect the chaos crystals for Hope to make Noel and/or Serah's Chaos weapons. Their stats increase with the number of Fragments you collect.

    I usually just play as Serah, so I'm constantly switching out her outfits from the Summoner's Wear (is this a nod to Yuna, by the way?), Style and Steel, White Mage, and her default.
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    Having a tutorial about jumping with a Chocobo =/= being able to spot where I have to jump with the Chocobo.

    Plus, if the game establishes that Mog will light up and fly towards items sometimes, the fact he doesn't do it all the time is really just BS "haha, now you HAVE to look at a guide."

    Well I was just wondering about what Yeul meant about the Heart of Chaos, especially since a lot of weight has been given, in the Datalogs anyway, to Serah having a lot of "chaos" in her as well. If it's explained later on, fair enough.

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