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    Haha, well, I think the game sort of expects the player to figure out gaps can generally be crossed on a chocobo. The tutorial says you can jump with 'em, so jump with 'em!

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    So, serious gameplay question. I got Odinbolt now. With it and my two Durable Power Wristbands, Serah is almost as strong as my Behemoth.T hat's pretty cool.

    HOWEVER, my question is, do stats on weapons matter all that much/ Obviously you do want decent stats but this isn't like other RPG's. More numbers does not always equal more better. For example, the only way to deal substantive damage to enemies who matter is Staggering. As such, should I not prioritize weapons that come with Chain Bonuses? Wouldn't you do more damage with a high Chain Bonus than simply by having a stronger weapon? That's my thinking but I just don't know.

    Well...killing Noel (I think that's what he did) is one way to establish your villain cred... Good job Caius.

    I'm really annoyed with the Live Trigger stuff at the moment. These are all really good questions I want to ask to ask the second Yeul but I only get one?

    So I'm reading the Fragments I'm getting from the Yeuls and Etro's Sorrow says "Now the goddess sleeps within the Heart of Chaos." So Etro is in Caius...? And if the Heart is gone, the universe is gone. Which means dead Caius = dead everything.

    Yeah I think I'm a bit overpowered. Caius did some good damage but I pulled it off without too much trouble. Thank God I still had my SEN/MED paradigm. He went down real quick which I figured he would because it was only Serah and her monster, they couldn't realistically expect you to Stagger him or anything.

    So Yeul is dying across time because Etro saved the party at the end of FFXIII/? I mean, I guess that kinda sucks. Six peoples' lives in exchange for a billion Yeuls dying is kinda harsh. On the other hand, it was only because they were de-crystaled that Fang and Vanille could save Cocoon. So while I doubt it was part of Etro's intent, she did end up saving the human race by proxy of saving the FFXIII Party.

    Still I'm not sure Caius is thinking that far ahead. Also I have no idea how he can kill the goddess if she's...ya know, in him.

    Nevertheless, it was all very climactic and impressive. I guess that was Caius' Theme playing during the boss battle? It sounds like the one that played when we fought him forever ago. It's pretty good.

    So now we're back in the town and time from the start. OR ARE WE? This could easily be some Lotus-Eater Machine stuff going on but, given this game actually has time travel, it could also be real.

    I said No when given the choice to stay in the Fake World or not. I'm kind of dreading what I have done now though given I was told to say Yes. But I want to play the game "naturally" and make the decisions I would make... Please tell me I didn't miss a Fragment or something because of this. Please for the love of god they wouldn't do that, would they? I don't care if there's a 100 tough fights or whatever because I said No, just so long as I don't lose a Fragment.

    I smurfing knew it. I smurfING KNEW IT. I looked it up and, yep, you get a Fragment from doing the SUPER MORONIC THING. 'Great Job, you're an absolute idiot1 Have a reward!"

    The only reason - THE ONLY REASON - I'm not quitting this game right now is because I can redo this. I just have to close the Academia 4XX Gate and start over. That's fine, that's nothing. We didn't do anything in Academia anyway. I already have all the Graviton Core so all I have to do is talk to Hope a few times then go to the Gate then do the Void Beyond then fake New Bodham or Bodhum or whatever the hell it's called. That's not so bad. I could conceivably do all of that in like, an hour or less considering I will skip cutscenes.

    I frickin' knew it. I'm sorry that I didn't pick Yes. But I don't like doing the things I wouldn't do on my own. It's like Chrono Cross. LEAVE KID TO DIE? Well yeah, that's the obvious thing to do, right?

    Japan...what the smurf is wrong with Japan?

    So let's get this straight. Etro created humans, who were then enslaved by fal'Cie. She then saved the FFXIII party in exchange for damaging all of reality. She also "blessed" with the Seeress with a power that steadily kills her for infinity.

    She literally is the worst deity ever just as people have said. I mean, some gods are assholes, that's kind of their thing. But Etro isn't presented as a jerkass god. She's supposed to be holy and benevolent. And she's not. I brought up Dirge of Cerberus earlier and I'm getting super Lucrecia vibes from Etro ie. the writing wants us to sympathize with her when it's blatantly obvious her incompetency is the root of all evil.

    I won't lie guys, I'm rooting for Caius at the moment. Kill that bitch. Dying World has been one of the most effective story segments in the game, if not the most effective. First Caius leaves Noel, then Yeul dies, and now Noel is teh sole living human on the entire planet. Yeul's death was painful to watch just because I understood the reality of Noel's plight and just how hopeless he must have felt at that moment. And it's all Etro's fault. Why does Noel want to be her chosen warrior again?

    So this Heart of Chaos thing...according to Caius, if Noel kills him, it will smurf up time. But according to everyone, New Guardian killing Old Guardian is a tradition. Every new Guardian altered time by coming into being? Seems very unlikely.

    At least I got the question of his immortality answered.I was thinking, if the Heart makes him immortal, then how do Guardians die and get replaced? From what Mog said, the only reason Caius is immortal is because of...Etro. Holy trout, she is the worst thing ever. Being a l'Cie kinda put a limiter on the Guardians I guess and when Etro removed that limiter, you get an immortal guy wielding the Soul Edge who is going to destroy existence. Good job.

    Although we kinda got the Chicken and Egg thing going on here... Did Caius become immortal after leaving Noel and 700 Yeul? Or was he already plotting back then? Maybe it'll be explained. He is the one who said you can change the past by altering the future....

    But now I gotta go rewind the Gate and redo all of this because I gotta do The Stupid Thing. Seriously, we're not even talking The Matrix here. It's not a choice between a rather normal "fake world" and a bleak, horrific existence of scrounging for survival with a few others while eating oatmeal and nothing else. Not like most peopel in The Matrix even made a choice because they had no idea what was going on. Serah knows exactly what was going on. She knew the real world and the fake world. She saw the fake world was all wrong and evil immediately. THE ONLY LOGICAL CHOICE IS NO.

    But I must say Yes, and I must make Serah the stupidest person whoever existed. Next to Etro anyway.

    So why does Lightning not say what Caius is doing is exactly like what the Cocoon fal'Cie were trying to do? Well, most of it. Kill lots of people by destroying Cocoon = summons forth The Maker. Only The Maker is apparently a giant ball of darkness or something. I'm thinking it might be B-dude (and no, I'm not going to remember how to spell his name) but I have no idea how Etro, an inferior deity, would keep him locked away.

    Also this game can't decide if Chaos is a good thing or not. The world being full of it is bad but Valhalla is already full of it and no one is saying Valhalla is Hell. Make up your mind, game!

    Also Lightning, no comment on how your beloved goddess is slowly murdering your sister? I guess Serah doesn't have like a heroic sacrifice or whatever I was guessing at originally. She probably just ends up dying because of Etro's Blessing. Well I'm certainly glad we are her champions.

    Huh...so this feels kind of Endgame-y. Is the game really almost over? Should I hurry up and start going to collect Fragments and stuff? That's all going to take me several days of course....

    This game is like X-2 in that it be 10 hours long if you just did the main story. I'm really kinda disappointed in the storytelling here as well. Caius was barely in the game when you think about it, and most of the revelations about him just happened now. It's very clumsily done.

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    Hold on, I'm trying tot hink here. Has Caius only been in, like, three or four scenes in the whole game? There was the prologue, Oerba and then a whole lot of nothing for a long, long, long, long, long, long, long time. Yu can't even count the inexplicable Caiusbot. I'm honestly disappointed in this.
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    Yeahhh...Etro is a freakin' idiot sometimes, despite her best intentions. She doesn't put much thought into her actions and all the games are essentially what they are because she's fudged up so many times. I sympathize with Caius here: either kill Etro or find someone else who can do a better job. But ah, Dying World really was a neat segment, what with the spotlight over Serah and the styling they went with in the beginning. It's strange how empty Dying World is - which makes it somewhat boring - but that's really the point. Also, you get to hear "Dust to Dust" there for a bit. 10/10.

    Regarding why Caius:
    (SPOILER)You're right in thinking that normally it wouldn't make sense for a Guardian to have to be killed by their successor if it alters time. But Caius is different since he has Etro's Heart of Chaos. It gives him immortality and means he has to watch Yeul die every single time. Normally, a Guardian wouldn't live forever like you said. Etro though that giving Caius the ability to look after Yeul for eternity would be a gift, but as per always, she was wrong. It sucks. I don't blame him for wanting to destroy time and stop all of that pain.

    Serah didn't initially know that the "fake" world was fake, though. She didn't really know what the heck was going on. Was it a dream? Reality? Alternate timeline? Future? Past? And when you haven't seen your sister in person for three years along with your fiance who has once again ran off into the horizon, wouldn't that option seem pretty enticing? To stay there and be happy? I dunno. Either choice could be logical depending on your state at the moment.

    If it were me, I'd be thinking, "I just got stabbed by some guy who wants to destroy time and - nah, smurf it. I'm staying here."

    The game isn't saying that chaos is bad, per se...the game is saying that too much of chaos is a bad thing. A. Very. Bad. Thing. See: Lightning Returns. There has to be a balance of chaos within both worlds, or everyone is screwed. The chaos in Valhalla is naturally supposed to be there, but when you need to open Etro's Gate to allow souls in, too much chaos can enter the Visible Realm and destroy everything. Etro is supposed to watch over that, but ya know. She fails at it a lot.

    Caius is involved in other timelines that I don't think you've visited yet. He plays an enormous part soon enough, anyways. Prologue, New Bodhum, Augusta Tower, Oerba, Void Beyond, Academia, Dying World...imo, he has a lot of screen time.
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    God my arm is killing me. It's been a tough couple nights. First off, last night, I visited the Colosseum to get the first of what I guess you ca call my Dream Team. I've needed a good Ravager for a long time and Lightning fits that role perfectly. It took so many fights to get her crystal but I did eventually get it. Also, to max our her Crystarium, I refought her and her lieutenant a few more times for Mana Crystals. Suddenly that fight became an absolute joke and I could win it in about two minutes with no problems. Before it took about five minutes and it could get a bit hairy.

    Anyway, her Crystarium is maxed out (Level 13. GET IT?????) and I decided to work on Sazh, who is a lot better than I originally noticed. He has good abilities, just like my Purple Chocobo, but he has so much more HP. HP is essential for the fights I plan on doing I think. Granted your Synergist isn't going to be around too long but he still needs to be able to survive a few hits.

    So I was in the Steppe, collecting Mana Essences for Sazh and fought Geiseric's big brother. I don't know what it is named but it came out during Stormy weather. I demolished it. I fought and beat a couple other monsters I've never seen before so that's good too. But once I had all the stuff I needed for Sazh, I went back to the Hunters Camp to change the weather and see what kind of monsters and loot Sunny Weahtr would bring. It was then that the Long Gui materialized into being and....well...

    Several attempts later, I've done it. This fight made me realize something. Or rather, it made me accept something. Serah is built for Magic and Noel is built for Strength for a reason. The first few times I fought the long Gui, even when I took out his legs and staggered him, I only got him down about a million HP. It might be possible to Stagger him twice before he gets up but I never managed it. Got close but no cigar.

    Then I thought "smurf it" and swapped Serah's and Noel's Accessorries. Now he was wearing two Durable Power Wristbands and she was wearing two Durable Magician Mark's. (the Magicians' Crest was probably better but I'm an idiot) And guess what? After one Stagger, he was down to less than a million.

    Of course I made sure to apply debuffs when he was staggered but I'm pretty sure it's the fact Serah and Nowl now have over 700 Magic/Strength that did this.

    Now I won't deny some of it was luck. That big AOE move he does can one shot both Serah and Noel if they were too close. But luck is a fair enough element to take intoa ccount, isn't it? It's not like I cheated.

    Now I'm curious, how does Full Power Atlas and Royal Ripeness compare to Long Gui? Harder, easier, about the same? Atlas seems about the same type of fight as Long Gui.

    I'M not going to fight either of them quite yet. I still need to "build" Lightning. I want to make her OP as hell. She has just under 900 Magic and I want to get that over a 1.000. She also needs HP very badly. It's bad enough Serah has peaked at 5900, Lightning is only at 5100. She needs to join Noel in the 8000s, or be close at least. Some Resist Physical/Resist Magic abilities be good too.

    Ya know what's kinda sad? The Long Gui, for as challenging as it was, is still a helluva lot easier than that bitch from XIII. I have always hatd Jihl and her boss fight does not make me like her anymore. It's one big gimmick of being the Anti-Stagger. Mooks spawned to disrupt you just long enough that her Stagger gauge resets, She also has that status effect that stuns everyone for a few seconds which is followed up by an instant death move. It seems tailor-made for a Sentinel and Steelguard but her status effect not only prevents you from taking any action,it knocks you out of whatever action you are taking. So Steelguard is no good.

    Now, you can still get around this, as I have done. You just need absolute precision timing in order to keep her gauge up. I think, now I'm playing Serah and Noel to their strengths, I could probably kill her in one Stagger. But I dunno. That fight was so irritating and I don't know if I want to bother with it again right now.

    And final question, do you really need COM/COM/COM? Because COM/COM/RAV is working just fine for me at the moment. Lightning deals out great damage and is wonderful for keeping an enemy launched with her magic. Plus, you still get the slow drainign Stagger gauage with COM/COM/RAV.

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    I use Cerberus (Com+Com+Com) because my characters' HP are maxed out and OP as hell. So, they all deal a ton of damage and I never need to bother building the chain gauge. It's just a personal preference though. Honestly, I just like seeing Serah's cool Commando attack animations.

    But yeah, XIII-2's Long Gui is a joke compared to the turtles in XIII. Almost an insult, lol. I don't know how many hours I spent fighting all of them on Pulse and Eden (mainly to farm for components), but Jesus. I was both relieved and disappointed at how easy the XIII-2 turtle bro was.

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    Can't you just insta kill them iN XIII?

    I suspect the difference in difficulty is due to, in XIII, you can increase your stats to ludicrous levels, and the Long Gui there were made to account for that. Here, you have a much lower cap on your stats.

    Also, as far as I've read, in order to max out Serah's and Noel's Strength/Magic/HP, you have to know precisely what you're doing from the word go. You can only optimize them for one stat. Hence why Serah has such low HP for me but can actually have about 8000 or so at base if you optimize it.

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    Looking it up, I guess I misunderstood what people said "just cast Death on it." I figured Death was like in every other FF. But nope, iN XIII, it's just a spell that does damage or whatever.

    Although, looking at strategies for facing one in FFXIII, I notice it says "manually control Fang to cast Bravera or Faithra." You know, I'd love to be able to do that in this game. I'd love to, first chance i get during tense moments, to make sure I cast buffs on my Strength and Magic. But, as I said before, Serah and Noel do not have any version of Bravery or Faith. Which means I'm left at the mercy of Sazh's or Purple Chocobo's AI to think that their first priority should be Braviga.
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    Death is the special ATB skill that Vanille learns and it does do some damage, but it's more about the instant death chance it has applied to it. Which means you could either get really lucky and kill a Long Gui in the first go, or it'll take several minutes. I tend to either control Lightning or Fang to either drive up the chain bonus with Army of One or use Fang's Highwind ability to do a ton of damage. Plus, Eidolons help to get things rolling. Buuut, obviously there aren't really Eidolons in XIII-2.

    Still, until you get to the point where you've maxed out all of your party's main role crystariums, the battle can be tough as smurf.

    Hm, I don't really know about Serah's stats being optimized...that's something I've never really looked into, I guess. Do you mean like using accessories and certain weapons to optimize Serah or Noel for specific roles other than their designated mage and...wait, Noel is sort of a red mage, isn't he? He's a pretty good synergist, saboteur, and decent ravager...eh, idk. Haven't played XIII-2 in a year. D:

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    Long Gui is actually immune to the instant kill effect of the Death spell. It still does quite a massive amount of damage though. The important part though is that regular Adamantoises are NOT immune to the instant kill, so you can farm those surprisingly well by just using Death over and over.

    Depending on what classes you level up when you get different final stats (the large nodes in the crystarium give extra stats that depend on the class you activate them with). As far as I've heard from other players it's theoretically best to push your primary offensive stat (Strength for Noel, Magic for Serah). I never really cared much about it since that goes into a level of minmaxing that just isn't necessary.

    There are some really good Feral Links if you want to get yourself buffed quickly. Try Yakshini. Also if I remember correctly the Goblin Chieftain was hilariously good at replacing a Synergist even though it's a Sentinel.

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    Oh crap, I forgot the names. I was thinking the Adamantoise like you said, not the Long Gui. I think there's also one called Shaolong Gui? The blue turtles guys that only pop up once you complete a certain mark mission or something like that...the hardest turtles, iirc.

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    In somber news, I'm gonna have to take a break from XIII-2. I've only had my 360 and controller since...I dunno, April or May? Maybe March? Either way, my controller is busted. Too much mashing the A Button and it was stuck and it chose to demonstrate this fact right in the middle of one of the Oerba 400 AF Puzzles I had finally decided to do. Specifically during one of the crystal matching puzzles, the only puzzle where this was a problem. I guess it's better it happened there and not during a boss fight.

    Anyway, I need to replace it. I'm kinda broke though so my options are liited to bumming a controller off a buddy of mine or seeing if I can get a ride to Gamestop to trade in some junk I have and buy a new controller that way.

    It's very depressing. I feel like, now I've crossed that 100 Fragment threshold, and I'd have about 110 when done with Oerba 400, that I am finally within sight of the finish line. Then this happens. Hopefully I can resume this game soon. I can't afford to put this on hold or it will never get finished. Just look at my Skyrim and FFV playthroughs....god knows when I'll ever wrap those up. I'm really bad about my moods and if I fall out of the right mood for a game, I might not play it again for months or years.

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    I know have learned Noel is a boss in LR. SPOILERS! Kinda sorta not really. I was wondering if he would have a role there....

    So I now know Lightning fights both Snow and Noel. I can only assume that LR is her fighting all the good characters in the series as they try to keep her from ruining everything.

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    Well, they're not too "good" anymore, hence why Lightning fights them in LR. To "save their souls" and all that shazam. Sort of. It's complicated, lol.

    Don't bother trying to get a controller from GameStop though, even with trade-in credit. They'll rip you off on a controller that you could buy in the same condition at a better price on Amazon. Heck, if you want a used controller, they're about $20 on Amazon, especially if you don't mind getting one of the older X360 white controllers.

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    Wait, do you get to beat up Snow in LR?

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    Yup. He's a boss fight as part of the main story in Yusnaan. You can fight him before day 7 (or is it 8?) or afterwards when all enemies are stronger, including bosses. He was pretty difficult for me when I first played LR.

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    I might have to play LR now.

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