WHM
Firion Lannister
the guy in 3 idk
Cecil
Kain
Buttz
Locke
Cloud
Mukki
Zidane
Tidus
Yuna
Vaan
Lightning
Serah
guy in 15
the concept of a protagonist only applies to some of these games so i can't in good co
nscience respond to this poll because not all possibilities are covered
e.g. what if i regard Kain as the protagonist of IV?
does antman have an antagonist or does it have to be even smaller like a nanoagonist?
Yeah, people need to lay off Tidus for the issues with his dad. Jecht was an ass hat and Tidus had every right to be mad at him. It's not like that plot arc doesn't go anywhere. You have the Jecht apology and the two high fiving near the end of the game, so there was a payoff to it.
I'm sorry, I don't have any sympathy for Tidus' situation I just don't. Jecht is certainly a stereotypical jock/bully but he's surprisingly likable and I feel his flashbacks from Tidus' angle (especially considering he's an unreliable narrator about his childhood) do not fully justify his resentment. I'm just from a different generation I guess.
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I never said that hitting people is the right thing to do. I'm just saying people react to anger differently, and that this was justified in-story. Just make no mistake - I don't condone it. It's just that I don't need a character to always act upstanding to like them - I want them to be believable. Having gone through depressive symptoms (and I know people here have gone through them as well and may have felt vastly differently), I can understand the pent-up amulet thing very much. But yeah, I don't think Lightning is a great protagonist, but I don't hate her, and really, I still stand by my statement that her punching isn't glorified, but is rather a flaw that gets fixed.Originally Posted by maybee
And ?To be fair, she is distressed that her sister is effectively dead and she sees Snow as partially responsible. And she can't really deal with her anger, which is admittedly presented as a flaw that she gets over by the end of the game, rather than this being shown as something defining her as strong. Besides, have you seen Snow? I doubt those punches would phase him, causing maybe some minimal loss in gray cells, which he isn't using much anyway
When Locke finds out that Rachel is dead he doesn't go around punching the whole town and her dad.
When Tifa believes that Cloud might be dead she doesn't go around punching the whole Avalanche crew.
When Rinoa is dying in space and might already be actually dead- Squall doesn't punch Ellone or his SeeD friends or the people whom planned and suggest that would be best for Rinoa to heal in space.
When Garnet is assumed dead by Kuja's magical sleeping spell- Zidane doesn't go off punching Beatrix and Queen Brahne.
When Tidus finds out that Yuna is basically on a suicidal mission- he doesn't go around punching Wakka, Lulu, Auron, Rikku etc.
Being upset or in fear that a loved one might be dead doesn't excuse physical harm like that. Even if she does have anger/ temper issues, it doesn't excuse behavior like that. Just like, even though I love Squall and everything, him having trust issues and fear of people leaving him doesn't excuse him being a ass towards his friends and treating Quistis so rudely like he does and the beginning of the game.
And Squall is the most emotionally nuanced protagonist in the series by a long shot. No, he doesn't fall in love with Rinoa for no reason - he's attracted to this girl one time and gradually he finds himself caring more and more for her. I also never got the emo thing. Did people not get that the stuff he says in brackets are his thoughts that he isn't saying out loud? So he wonders about many existential things - he's 18, it's really understandable. But on the outside he's always cool, collected, professional, just like a soldier should be. And it's awesome seeing him struggle with that image, with his suppressed emotions becoming more and more unstable because of the Rinoa stuff (mostly), and then his two faces - the overt and the hidden one - becoming more in synch by the end. Really, Squall has incredible emotional complexity that Tidus could never even compare to. And yes, like Wolf said - Tidus' "character development" stems from an epiphany that really makes no sense for him to react like that if he were an actual person. Squall felt real. And if he were on the poll, he'd be winning, as you can see by all the support here.
As a side note, I really think people are overstating the importance of character development. Like, a character being different by the end of the story is the single most important thing in storytelling, no matter how cheap or forced. Am I the only one who's prefer a more realistic and subtle character, even if they remained static throughout?
...how old do you think I am?
...how old do you think I am?
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I'm calling you Grandpa Kanno from now on.
On Topic: Punch Snow in the face? Nah, I'd kick him in the stones so he couldn't reproduce. We don't need a bunch of little Snows running around.
I like how Serah named her cat after her boyfriend in the sequel.
Aren't you younger than I am, bub?
If so I do love when people younger than me say this kind of stuff, same with the people younger than me who say they were too old for Pokemon when it first came out (cause I certainly wasn't)
Snow would absolutely kick your ass dude. Snow would kick every single person on this forum's ass. Except he wouldn't because he's a nice fella! Anyone that thinks Snow's actions in the game warrant a punch is more deserving of a punch than Snow. The dude isn't a bad person, he's not nasty, spiteful or manipulative. He's just big dumb idealistic lug who is trying to do the right thing. I mean really, do you folk believe in a "You're dumb therefore you deserve physical violence" creed? 'cause okay EoFF Hitlers chill out jeez... and then by your own rules punch yourselves in the face WHADDUP
So now disliking stupid characters makes me Hitled. Awesome. Highlight of my day, truly.
So you think it is acceptable to inflict violence because of a perceived lack of intelligence, eh? And it's the highlight of your day, no less? Tell me, sir, where does this wanton cruelty end? What about babies with their lack of brain development? Are they fair game for a casual drop kick to the face? Apparently so in your world. And I suppose it's a given that defenceless yet dumb animals exist only to be brutalised? You know, I've always thought you seemed like the sort that gleefully crams live amphibians into blenders and then dips nachos into the resulting goo and I'm saddened yet vindicated that this thread has confirmed it.
Okay, that did make me chuckle
But for the record, there's a difference between thinking a character's actions are understandable and condoning them.
(That's more me adding some arguments to my dispute with maybee, I'm pretty much a newt killer like Psychotic said, otherwise)
I'm pretty sure I am older than you by a few years. I think only Del, Shlup, and a handful of oldbie members are older than me and even then, the difference was in months. I was certainly too old for first gen Pokemon when it came out but it didn't stop me from playing it.Aren't you younger than I am, bub?
If so I do love when people younger than me say this kind of stuff, same with the people younger than me who say they were too old for Pokemon when it first came out (cause I certainly wasn't)
Back on topic, I actually didn't mind Snow. Yes he's an idiot and he got robbed a lot of character building screen-time, but his heart is in the right place most of the time, so I did find Lightning's retribution against him to be a little disproportionate at times. Especially when you find out she's also partly to blame for Serah's predicament.
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i'm gonna tell dan you like snow and then what, your best mate will call you a pedophileSnow would absolutely kick your ass dude. Snow would kick every single person on this forum's ass. Except he wouldn't because he's a nice fella! Anyone that thinks Snow's actions in the game warrant a punch is more deserving of a punch than Snow. The dude isn't a bad person, he's not nasty, spiteful or manipulative. He's just big dumb idealistic lug who is trying to do the right thing. I mean really, do you folk believe in a "You're dumb therefore you deserve physical violence" creed? 'cause okay EoFF Hitlers chill out jeez... and then by your own rules punch yourselves in the face WHADDUP
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