I thought she was pretty sloppy with the lightsaber actually, she kept trying to stab him with it and it was similar to how she weilds the staff,Originally Posted by Old Manus
I thought she was pretty sloppy with the lightsaber actually, she kept trying to stab him with it and it was similar to how she weilds the staff,
Yeah, I agree. And frankly, he looks so much better with his mask on it's not even funny.
yeah i noticed that too. It was pretty obvious this was the first time she had really fought with any sort of long blade.I thought she was pretty sloppy with the lightsaber actually, she kept trying to stab him with it and it was similar to how she weilds the staff,
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>people still wanting Star Wars to over explain things about the Force when one of the worst aspects of the prequels was them trying to over explain the Force
Hey, leave Kylo Ren's face alone. I guess he's pretty good looking, if unconventional.
Although it was a pretty weird decision to have him just remove the mask like that. I mean, what was the point of it in the first place then?
That I actually do get. He wants to be like Vader. Vader wore a mask, so I wear a mask too. Look at me I'm just like Darth Vader, I even have Skywalker blood in me! YAY!
-is suddenly unable to breathe-
He removed it to appear more human to Rey, I'm also fairly sure he removes it when he is conflicted. When his mask is off he always looks on the verge of crying - aka weak, with the mask on he can massacre a whole village....
That ALSO makes a lot of sense. Thanks for pointing that out, Night
I really enjoyed the different kind of character he was with the mask on and off. With it on, you knew what you were getting. Mysterious bad guy, kills people, no mercy, yada yada yada. Scary enough. But when he takes the mask off... he's unpredictable. And that's even more scary.
Like, I don't think that scene on the bridge would have worked if he had left his masked on, because masked Ren is evil Ren, so you know how it's going to go. But with the mask off, there was conflict and doubt, which made the moment more uncertain and tense.
Also tie that to his fight with Rey. I think Kylo, despite being a cracking force user was really not an overpowered villain. In that battle he had just killed his father - it definitely affected him somehow. and he'd been shot, and he was emotional, and he was maskless
The things people seem to keep forgetting about the lightsaber duels at the end are pretty numerous honestly. He had just killed his father, and was shot by Chewie of course which really smurfed him up. Anyone who thinks they didn't apparently wasn't paying attention. But there was more to his loss than that.
We also know at least two other things about him. Namely that his training isn't even finished and he's prone to losing his cool. A force user in general, even a Sith or Jedi aren't unbeatable. One who's not fully trained, injured, conflicted over his place in the force, conflicted over killing his father, and also enraged? Frankly he may be lucky he beat Finn. And if that aren't enough we're outright told his biggest fear is he won't live up to Vader and he's just been faced with a woman who is clearly able to more easily tap into the force, likely in part because she isn't uncertain about who she is and knows what she's fighting for. So clearly self confidence is an issue for him as well on top of everything else. And it makes sense that would cause issues since the only times Luke ever struggled with the force in the original trilogy are when his own mind and ego worked against him.
Long story short, there are a lot of reasons that he lost and almost none of them have to do with Rey being perfect. The only thing she really was when she turned the ride of the battle was calm and focused. Before that she was lashing out as wildly as he was.
Ya'll need a reminder of other crap that is actual Star Wars cannon instead of complaining that a bad guy is sort of dopey looking and that someone is a bit too good with the Force.
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Often story-telling uses the mask to make us see a character as a simplified ideal.
Evil, bad, the enemy, the opposition.
I agree with Fury that in this instance, Ben was using the mask to make himself that ideal. He's clearly conflicted, and struggles to accomplish this goal that he thinks needs to be achieved (for whatever reason.) He has doubts.
However, with the mask he is the dark side. He is his grand father. The mask represents the simplified ideals that he wants to embody instead of the weak, unsure character he is without the mask. It's almost two personalities.
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