I already adressed him being hurt. While hurt, when they first started the fight he was clearly superior. Then one moment later she's all 'I can use force to help' and then immediately whooped his ass.Originally Posted by Mr. Carnelian
And honest, her already knowing how to fight, that is true. My issue isn't that she already knew how to fight, it's that she just suddenly gets the Idea to use the Force to help her fight and is suddenly so adept at it a guy who was actively trying to not harm her before just had no hope of fighting on. This is bounds ahead of anything we see from the first Star Wars.
Luke has a few days to train regardless. Hell, he is ABLE to train at all under an actual Mentor.Does it?
Luke meets Obi-Wan. Finds his Aunt and Uncle dead. Meets Han Solo in Mos Eisley. Flies to Alderaan, whereby they are caught in the Death Star's tractor beam. Upon escaping, they go to the Rebel Base, where they plan the assault and then execute it.
I'm only seeing three spots where any meaningful time elapses at all. 1) In hyperspace on the way to Alderaan. 2) In Hyperspace on the way to Yavin. 3) At the Rebel Base while the Death Star plans are being analysed. I can't see any of of those being more than a day or two, tops. Hardly enough for hardcore force and/or X-Wing training. We see ships Hyperspace around a lot in Star Wars, and its generally not a particularly long term thing.
My perception is not so much that Rey has a natural ability with a million different things, but that she has a natural ability with one: learning.
Further more, Luke isnt' really fighting off hordes of Storm Troopers, under constant guidance of Hans they manage to high tail it the entire time they are on the Death Star.
And there was never a huge need for hard core training, because what Luke was doing wasn't really that hard core. He used the force to target one shot, a target we have learned Luke was already capable of hitting in an aircraft of some kind. The only real issue here is the different type of craft, and that feels more like a 'the writers felt like different space crafts in Star Wars operate similarly enough' then 'Luke was able to master this entirely new craft in like no time cause he's so rad', a bit of lazy writing on their part.
To add, Luke was also being covered by three other ships. The Two Ex-Wings that followed him in, and the returning Millenium Falcom which shook off Vader, giving Luke the time he needed to actually concentrate on the shot. He wasn't so good he could just up and do it.
To Recap what each person accomplished.
Luke after a brief amount of time training
- Was able to fend off Storm Troopers Well Enough to run away, with the guidence of an experiences smuggler
- Was able to use the force to make a very difficult shot, one he was already some what able to do prior to force training
Rey with exactly Zero Training and all within the span of a few hours
- Was able to block a trained force user from probing her mind, and in turn was able to read his, something he could not stop
- Learned how to do the Jedi Mind Trick
- In a fight against a far more experienced foe (who, regardless of Injuries, was easilly beating her) suddenly goes 'I can use the force to help me fight' and it instantly became a one sided fight in the opposite way.
The accomplishments of Rey FAR outshine the accomplishments of Luke, and that is without any semblance of Guidence or Training where as Luke did in fact have some.
And again, all of this wouldn't be nearly as bad if we at least got to see Rey showcasing some kind of character flaw that is an actual detriment, but we don't see anything like that. All we see as a person excelling at anything and everything they try. That is simply not interesting to me.
Luke, on the other hand, was clearly a fish out of water the entire first movie. He was constantly having his hand held, and nothing he accomplished that first movie was done without someone constantly having his back.
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