No but you can get... other things.Originally Posted by Fynn
Why do you think a PC needs to be upgraded within that time?
No but you can get... other things.
Why do you think a PC needs to be upgraded within that time?
everything is wrapped in gray
i'm focusing on your image
can you hear me in the void?
You can't really do that and game AND be comfortable all at once, though.No but you can get... other things.
Who cuddles while trying to kick someone's ass anyway?
People who like losing games, I guess. Aka not us.
everything is wrapped in gray
i'm focusing on your image
can you hear me in the void?
>Implying games are about kicking ass.
>>And not building friendship.
>>>Someone obviously doesn't understand the message of StreertPass
>>>>It's like all those shonen anime never taught you anything.
>>>>>Implying that's how you use faux greentext
everything is wrapped in gray
i'm focusing on your image
can you hear me in the void?
I've spent a long time using a recliner or a couch for my PC. I do use a chair and desk currently however.
They must get such the neck cramp constantly turning their head to look at each monitor. Yikes!
As a PS4 gamer who is looking to- in about a year, or a bit more, build a gaming PC, there's a few reasons, and often as many limitations...
First of all, I have to take the communities into account.As much as you can play 'anything' on a PC, you're never going to have as many people playing specifically the same games; Fighting game communities usually thrive on the sony systems. Sure, you can find a street fighter match pretty much anywhere if you're looking for that, but if you're into more complex fighters, they usually have a niche on PS3/4. Say, the most competitive Dead or Alive 5 players, or the Arcana, Blazblue, UNIEL communities are pretty much exclusive to PlayStation, no matter how you slice it. The same way you're not gonna get MOBA or most RTS up and running on PS4. Basically I don't wanna build a gaming rig just to play Dota 2 or LoL.
Second, of all..the price. Here's the big one, in both ways. Why try to convince me that a machine I will not be able to play FFXV on (For this year, anyway) is better, especially the video card alone costs what the PS4 cost me? The main reasons I want a gaming PC is for (now old) gems and exclusives from Bioware, and of course I'd like to take advantage of steam sales. So pricing is both one of my big plus and one of the big reasons I don't have a capable PC yet. I game on a budget. I wouldn't really be here if Sony went all out and gave us online for free once again.
Also, some PC gamers I've heard mention modding as a big plus, and I...I have little interest in mods. I'm not saying they're bad, I'm just saying, Developers ought to be able to deliver a good enough product for me to enjoy without modding it. That said, I have been a fan of what few mods I've used in console games so maybe I could change my mind later on.
I personally, don't like upgrading past one initial investment: If I get a new graphics card, does that mean I should replay all my past games just so I can see them in better graphics? Is it ever implied I wasted my time when I beat so-and-so on a 'low settings' 720p/30 FPS? The knowledge that anything and everything I buy for PS4 will work on it "just fine", no upgrade required keeps my paranoia and OCD tendencies at bay.
Lastly there are things like power consumption; You're obviously going to notice of the electric bill is twice the usual after your first month of having a gaming rig. Something has to keep that mighty videocard up and running! I still don't know if I can make myself something that requires about as much power as a PS4+Led TV.
Plus some of the people I personally know just sicken me... Yes, this is an important point. Most of my friends don't -want- to try PC gaming because if that one guy who is promoting it happens to be a gigantic douche about it, I don't wanna switch to a platform populated by people like him. Moreso if the video card that costs *more* than a PS4 still gets disrespected because I'm not aiming to spend twice the amount for the best possible graphics, well, it's discouraging. If one guy keeps complaining a fantastic game, say, FFXIV, "looks like crap" on his 4k screen, it might, I'm sure, but I could tell you the same thing about minecraft and we can both miss the point entirely.
Last edited by YoshioKST; 01-04-2016 at 10:57 PM.
For better or worse, to be a fan of Final Fantasy is to witness history in the making.
On the mod bit, I find I like to add mods after I've enjoyed a game for a good while to spice it up again. Most of the games I use mods in don't require the mods to play fine, I just enjoy the mods. And to upgrading, I'm using a pretty weak system compared to most. I have a OLD graphics card (GTX 480) and a completely budget CPU (i3) my RAM is average at 8GBs and having a SSD does help a bit. but overall my GPU is just so friggen ancient. But, I really don't have any issues with NEEDING to upgrade. I run FFXIV on the highest settings and most games I encounter will only be on medium if they're really fancy in the graphics department.
Almost every game that is added to by mods is great as a base product anyway, mods just add to something already very much worth playing.
Rather than thinking of it as turning an incomplete game into a complete one (though that certainly can happen, I don't deny), think of it as more content for games you already love. I definitely wouldn't have put as much time into, say, Darkest Hour, or Crusader Kings 2, without mods.
Seconded. Modding isn't necessarily about doing the developer's job for them. For example, why should Obsidian spend hours upon hours creating a super-high res texture pack that requires 2 GB of video RAM when the consoles at the time of New Vegas' launch had at most 400 MB to spare for textures, and almost no gaming PC had more than 1 GB VRAM?
In 2015 however, lots of people have 2 GB VRAM or even more, so some modders created extra texture packs for those who want to revisit this game with a much stronger PC than it was made for.
And while I don't actually agree with the people who mod skyrim to be full of kawaii animu maids with extremely revealing outfits, or make the prostitutes in the game look like 1990s porn stars with bleached hair and balloon boobs, I'm sure this adds some sort of value to the game for those who opt to use such mods. At the same time, I think we should all be very, very glad that Bethesda didn't put such things in the game themselves.
And on a side note, I doubt that you'll need a video card that costs as much as a PS4 to play FF15, and definitely not if you build the PC much later this year. My GTX 570 could run Fallout 4 better than PS4 does, and that's a 3 year old card. A 950 would probably do the job, and the next generation from nVidia that comes out this year would probably do the same job for even less money than a 950 costs today. I now use a second hand GTX 770 that i got for 150 bucks some time ago. It plays any current multiplatform release at much better image quality and framerate than my PS4 can manage, and i fully expect it to do so with FF15 as well, should the game get a Steam release.
The power consumption point is mostly an enormous exaggeration. The extra power consumed by your PC when you're gaming with a new video card is going to equal two extra "old school" lightbulbs being switched on while you play the game, and only one of them running at half power when you're not gaming. But I guess if your household uses an average of 200 watts over a day, then maybe you'd notice a sharp increase in consumption.
This is of course assuming that you live in a climate that is warm enough not to need energy for heating any time of the year. Nearly all the energy consumed by any electronic device is converted into heat, which is something you in many areas of the world are going to need in the winter anyway.
The first $49.99 game you get on Steam that costs $59.99 on PS4 makes up for probably half a year of electricity for your new video card.
Last edited by Mirage; 01-05-2016 at 04:25 AM.
everything is wrapped in gray
i'm focusing on your image
can you hear me in the void?
Very good post, I just wanted to respond to some points, since you mentioned interest in building a PC.
This is true. Of course, there are PC free to play games with some of the biggest communities out there but as far as the blockbuster franchises most players think of in the West, they're just not that big on PC. That's actually the reason Valve created Steam Machines, as an attempt to redirect some of the interest in AAA gaming over to their platform. And when you think about the huge MMOs and MOBAs, many of them are not available on Steam. Despite the ubiquity of their platform, Valve actually isn't among the big contenders in the gaming industry - their expedition into the console space is a testament to the effectiveness of that model.First of all, I have to take the communities into account.As much as you can play 'anything' on a PC, you're never going to have as many people playing specifically the same games; Fighting game communities usually thrive on the sony systems. Sure, you can find a street fighter match pretty much anywhere if you're looking for that, but if you're into more complex fighters, they usually have a niche on PS3/4. Say, the most competitive Dead or Alive 5 players, or the Arcana, Blazblue, UNIEL communities are pretty much exclusive to PlayStation, no matter how you slice it. The same way you're not gonna get MOBA or most RTS up and running on PS4. Basically I don't wanna build a gaming rig just to play Dota 2 or LoL.
This part is bit of a misconception. The latest low end graphics cards which retail for $150 (GTX 950) and less (R7 370) have actually kept pace with and occassionally outperform the current gen consoles. They're good enough to blow away the popular multiplayer exclusives PC players actually play, while remaining up to date with any AAA multiplatform title coming out. The current mid-range cards (GTX 960 and R9 380) frequently retail for $200 and under, and are generally good enough to net you most of the bells and whistles of demanding games at 1080p 60fps. The cards that cost as much as a console, the GTX 970 and R9 390 are high end monsters, where you can start thinking about higher resolutions, framerates, or both, beyond what consoles and HDTVs are capable of. While the enthusiast tier do sell for $500-650, most tend to stay away from them, as the price-to-performance ratio starts to drop off at that point.Second, of all..the price. Here's the big one, in both ways. Why try to convince me that a machine I will not be able to play FFXV on (For this year, anyway) is better, especially the video card alone costs what the PS4 cost me? The main reasons I want a gaming PC is for (now old) gems and exclusives from Bioware, and of course I'd like to take advantage of steam sales. So pricing is both one of my big plus and one of the big reasons I don't have a capable PC yet. I game on a budget. I wouldn't really be here if Sony went all out and gave us online for free once again.
It's good to keep this in mind when you actually do get around to building your own rig.
Modding is certainly an overstated advantage. Nearly all PC games have no tangible benefit from modding and very few will ever grow a thriving mod community around them. Publishers also don't like them. However, we are starting to see games which open up content creation within the ecosystem, such as Steam Workshop, a bright spot going into the future with PC gaming, despite monetization concerns.Also, some PC gamers I've heard mention modding as a big plus, and I...I have little interest in mods. I'm not saying they're bad, I'm just saying, Developers ought to be able to deliver a good enough product for me to enjoy without modding it. That said, I have been a fan of what few mods I've used in console games so maybe I could change my mind later on.
This is another solid point, and it goes beyond just resolution and framerate. I often spend a great deal of time fine tuning display settings in my games and it's difficult getting the same results as consoles in terms of screen tearing and frame pacing, which seem pretty minor but add up to impact the overall quality and smoothness of the experience. Some people fail to appreciate that since consoles will always be the most popular version, they consume the vast majority of optimization and QA resources, thus making them the definitive versions in many ways. Most of the games I play on PS4 are native 1080p 60fps anyway, so it's not like PC offers players any tangible benefit by having shadows on Ultra instead of Medium.I personally, don't like upgrading past one initial investment: If I get a new graphics card, does that mean I should replay all my past games just so I can see them in better graphics? Is it ever implied I wasted my time when I beat so-and-so on a 'low settings' 720p/30 FPS? The knowledge that anything and everything I buy for PS4 will work on it "just fine", no upgrade required keeps my paranoia and OCD tendencies at bay.
So this isn't fully true. Nvidia's latest line of graphics cards using Maxwell architecture made power efficiency a top concern, something which AMD followed suit with on their R9 300 series and looks to really deliver on with their upcoming Polaris line of R9 400 cards. GPU power consumption will continue to decrease in the coming years and even then, I've heard it only really adds a few dollars a year to your electricity bill.Lastly there are things like power consumption; You're obviously going to notice of the electric bill is twice the usual after your first month of having a gaming rig. Something has to keep that mighty videocard up and running! I still don't know if I can make myself something that requires about as much power as a PS4+Led TV.
It's true that many PC players pride themselves as elitists - ironically, even those without powerful rigs. Yahtzee coined the term "PC master race" as a satire on how obtuse the community can be and it's telling that many obliviously adopted the term as a badge of honor. However, I do chalk that up to the vocal minority you see on all corners of the internet. The majority of people I've encountered in Dota and elsewhere are either polite or keep to themselves and PC fosters many of the most helpful and cooperative gaming communities out there.Plus some of the people I personally know just sicken me... Yes, this is an important point. Most of my friends don't -want- to try PC gaming because if that one guy who is promoting it happens to be a gigantic douche about it, I don't wanna switch to a platform populated by people like him. Moreso if the video card that costs *more* than a PS4 still gets disrespected because I'm not aiming to spend twice the amount for the best possible graphics, well, it's discouraging. If one guy keeps complaining a fantastic game, say, FFXIV, "looks like crap" on his 4k screen, it might, I'm sure, but I could tell you the same thing about minecraft and we can both miss the point entirely.
Pretty much EVERY PC gamer that I have met!!It's true that many PC players pride themselves as elitists
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
