Doubt you'd get that chance, considering how nimble she is
Doubt you'd get that chance, considering how nimble she is
Maybe, but there are ways to make her pay.
I think saying anyone deserve some sort of physical violence against them for being a tard is stupid in general, to be honest. I get it's a game and whatever so once in a while doesn't bother me, but seeing friends beat up on each other over stupid crap like being a teenager is just
Not amusing to me.
Agreed Pumpkin.
Comic relief is fine and all, but I just don't find "you think I'm sexy, so I'm gonna push you off this cliff" to be all that funny.
It's not that.
The hiimdaisy comic summed it up the best
So it's not "you're sexy, take a compliment", it's "you're girls, you owe me everything"
Yosuke pretty much deserved everything he gets, really. I do think Kanji gets the short straw in the group, though. He's constantly mocked for being slow on the uptake, Rise makes it her hobby to belittle him whenever, and no-one particularly stands up for him whenever the subject of his ambiguous sexuality turns up.
I wish there was more opportunities for the MC to tell Yosuke to back off. Or even if not your MC, for Yosuke to realise that, actually, he said some pretty hurtful stuff to Kanji. I feel like the game is missing that scene.
To me it still doesn't justify violence. I've had assholish views, most people have, it's part of growing up and forming your own opinions and developing as a person. Being like "Dude, not cool, stop." Or setting boundaries as to what is or is not acceptable is a great thing to do. Responding with violence is not funny and not deserved and not even effective at deterring behaviour, especially during the teenage years.
What if the genders were reversed and it was Yosukina (hehe) making comments to the men about not being manly enough because they can't hammer up drywall and don't earn enough money or whatever stupid stereotype so the guys just decked her. It would be as seriously upsetting as it should be or, at the very least, not funny. And yes, men are stronger and have a much longer history of abuse which is why it's looked at more seriously, but marginalizing victims of abuse, regardless of gender, is sickening and maddening and it frustrates me to no end. As a person who was in an abusive relationship and who has met many people of both genders who were in abusive relationships and volunteered with them, it's not funny and it's not deserved.
That's a logical fallacy, since you are comparing an exaggerated spoof comic strip, to in game behavior.So it's not "you're sexy, take a compliment", it's "you're girls, you owe me everything"
It's also incorrect since the girls also pushed the MC and Kanji off the cliff. Yosuke says something like "they are going to turn into some fine looking women soon". MC can either say yes or no. Either way it's time to get shoved off a cliff. Kanji literally does nothing. Even if you equate a nosebleed to an erection, he still didn't do or say anything.
You can't justify robbing him.Yosuke pretty much deserved everything he gets, really.
Or how about this?
Yosuke: Sorry, I broke your DVD. I'll buy you a new one.
Chie: TRIAL OF DA DRAGON!!!
*kicks Yosuke in the nuts*
Yeah, he totally deserved that... >_>
As Pumpkin said, you guys wouldn't be laughing if the situation was reversed.
Although in this case, I wouldn't mind if they let Yosuke slap Chie around a bit. Since she deserves it. Yukiko sometimes too.
Yeah I uh would mind if they did that. People shouldn't be beating each other for stupid reasons.
Also erections and/or nosebleeds are involuntary bodily functions, ESPECIALLY in the teenage years, so hitting someone for that is very much not acceptable.
No, it is not a logical fallacy because the comic just serves to illustrates a general attitude Yosuke has throughout the game in an exaggerated fashion. Did the scene go over like that? Of course not. But Yosuke makes constant remarks like that, though less exaggerated, and is continuously arrogant about it throughout the game
And now here's where you lose me, man, because you think I condone violence against people for being troutty, while I am not. Were it happening in real life, of course I wouldn't condone it. But this is fiction. And I respect how personal baggage can make you find that not funny, but this is fiction. Yosuke is purposefully written to be kind of a dick so we feel less sorry about his slapstick damage (which is inflicted by himself through his own clumsiness even more often than by the girls). Trying to reach for reasons to hate the girls of P4 and punch them in the face just because they're written like that to reinforce a comedic role is kinda toxic, because this is not real life. And yes, there is a double standard which exists due to various other standards that have been put in society.
tl;dr Of course violence is wrong IRL, but in P4 it's written as funny because Yosuke is written to be a sick so that we feel he deserves it. Typical trope. Like it or not, this is not a reason to start defending sexist behaviors or starting a witch hunt against female characters that don't want to put up with this sexism
Man do I miss the days when you could talk about a game without all the Tumblr-grade social justice crap coming into it.
I like Kung-Fu.
It is a highly exaggerated spoof. The purpose is to poke fun at P4, and is thus highly inaccurate.No, it is not a logical fallacy because the comic just serves to illustrates a general attitude Yosuke has throughout the game in an exaggerated fashion.
For example, Does Dojima want to have an incestuous relationship with the MC in P4? No, but he seems to want that in the comic. Is he constantly slacking off, and going to strip joints? No, but he does in the comic.
Using the comic as proof is a fallacy, since not only is it not official material, but it wasn't even trying to be accurate.
I wasn't comparing the situation to real life. I was calling out the crazy amounts of author bias towards the female cast.And now here's where you lose me, man, because you think I condone violence against people for being troutty, while I am not. Were it happening in real life, of course I wouldn't condone it. But this is fiction. And I respect how personal baggage can make you find that not funny, but this is fiction.
They don't put up with anything. Those horribly written stereotypes, always get their way because of author bias.Typical trope. Like it or not, this is not a reason to start defending sexist behaviors or starting a witch hunt against female characters that don't want to put up with this sexism
Not to mention, that I can flip that around at you. Yosuke being sexist is no reason to start defending violent behaviors. If both were portrayed equally, it would be less annoying, but it isn't. The girls are portrayed as saints, while Yosuke is relegated to asshat every time.
Dragonball handles this whole thing way better, since both sides win once in a while. It's not a constant bash on one sex.
Here's an example of the guy winning.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TqvGPn2ThDo
P4 needed a scene like that to balance out all the abuse the guys take.
"Repent your sins through death!" - Ramirez - Skies of Arcadia
Yeah I don't really like her. She hits Yosuke for scratching her DVD. Bad mouthing food is considered inpolite in japan but hitting someone for scratching a disc is fine? If Yosuke had hit her for something like this he would be seen as out of line. Even though Yosuke is an idiot, I feel he doesn't deserve the level of bad treatment he gets. He already fancied a dead girl who hated him, has to put up with lazy employees who get at him, just cos he's the managers son. I have some sympathy for him. Yukiko and Naoto are the nicer ones, but Rise and Chie are mean.Originally Posted by Bright Shield
Everyone knows that, but since when was it fine to assault people for having uncontrollable natural reactions?To be fair to Yukiko, nosebleeds in anime tend to signify sexual thoughts and is close to the equivalent of having an erestion so she's kind of justified here.
everything is wrapped in gray
i'm focusing on your image
can you hear me in the void?
To be fair to all of them they're all 16 years old at the time.
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