Quote Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post
"Real villains" was not referring to "villains in general" in my post but as "main villains", so "the big bads" and that is what they are not, because the big bads are the main villains. Darth Vader is also a real villain. Darth Vader is a main antagonist. However, he is not the main villain. That is Darth Sidious.

And by all means, "villain" considers having a morally influenced character, being an individual character with decisions of a person at all. Dark Cloud and [Sin] did not work like that. Dark Cloud was a manifested natural force. And [Sin] was the instinctive part of Jecht that he could barely control - even the part of an individual person that existed in [Sin], Jecht, was not evil at all. So wasn't Yevon=Ju. Yevon=Ju was only an echo of what was left of a broken man. Sin definitely is the antagonist-entity, but no villain entity.
It's the cause of the "evil" in the world. It's the reason why everything goes to trout and it wants it all to stay that way for his own personal goal. That is definitelty villanous. An Eldritch Abomination of alien morality can't be excluded from being classified as a villain.