I need to know who you guys think the greatest RPG villains of all time are

[Pumpkin]

I mean I think it was executed pretty well for what it was, but it's not my type of villain personally

[I Took the Red Pill]

Luca Blight is one of my favorites. None of this pseudo-philosophizing cheesy garbage, just pure unbridled bloodlust and evil.

[Fynn]

I've not played the game, but I have to admit that does sound tedious. I mean, it can work and can be executed well, but the description sounds a bit like a deus ex villain.

Then play it and say that again.

Like Verma mentioned, there's far more to the story and how the creature influence life on earth and how many characters try to utilize it. As Pumpkin mentions, it's all in the execution. So please play the game before you make an assumption. I only said why I personally like it. I said nothing concrete about Lavos so there really is nothing for you to base your opinion on.

[Formalhaut]

So please play the game before you make an assumption. I only said why I personally like it. I said nothing concrete about Lavos so there really is nothing for you to base your opinion on.

Fine. I rescind my hypothesis. I was only making a simple opinion based on a description. I never said at any point that my opinion superseded yours in any way.

[Del Murder]

Luca Blight is one of my favorites. None of this pseudo-philosophizing cheesy garbage, just pure unbridled bloodlust and evil.

Luca is up there with Kefka, he loses a peg for me because you defeat him about 2/3 into the game. However, the effort to beat him is epic.

My favorite villians are the Joker types, the charasmatic maniacs who simply want to see the world burn (Kefka, Luca), but I also like the Magneto-type anti-villains who may just have different perspectives than the hero and use more extreme methods to achieve their goals, but aren't inherently evil (Delita, Magus). The villains I don't care for are the ones who are just pure forces of evil without much personality or motivation (Zemus, Necron). Those bore me, but I will say of those Lavos did it best.

[Wolf Kanno]

Lavos' appeal is his Lovecraftian nature. He's a giant literal space flea who is going to end the world because it eats planets for breakfast, and his mere presence on the planet has changed the very fate of all life on the planet for better or for worse, and he's not even doing anything except what he naturally does. It's not really a surprise that Jenova took so much inspiration from him as well while combining it with a Lovecraftian aesthetic.

I'll come back to this one. I have one character I would love to talk about but he doesn't neatly fit into the "villain category" hell I can't even really say he's an "antagonist" either.

[Fynn]

Adding some more to Lavos, it's interesting that while he is a literal giant space flee from nowhere, he's not the trope. So, unlike Zemus, Cloud of Darkness or Necron, he does not show up at the very end without any sort of motivation. His overwhelming, Eldritch presence is built up throughout the entire game and we get to see the extent of the horror resulting from him just existing. He becomes even more of a cosmic horror in Chrono Cross.

Sometimes, antagonists just don't need to be people. Sometimes they're just cosmic, incomprehensible beasts that don't really want to kill you - you're just an insignificant obstacle on their natural path of life. The scariest part? There's way more of them than just one, so you may have saved your world, but tons of other worlds are pretty much doomed.

[Forsaken Lover]

The only good villain from Chrono Trigger was Magus.

He was also the best hero.

[Ayen]

Lavos and Kefka for me easily for all the reasons already mentioned in this thread.

[Forsaken Lover]

Magus even has an infinitely better villain theme than Lavos.

If only our foolishly foolish heroes hadn't stopped him, Magus would have summoned and killed Lavos and everything would have been saved.

Except Cyrus. smurf Cyrus.

[Fynn]

Idk, World Revolution is pretty friggin' amazing.

Also, Magus would totally have been murdered by Lavos had the party not interrupted him, as evidenced by that later scene in Zeal

[blackmage_nuke]

Conceptually probably Lavos but character developmentwise probably Undertale SpoilerAsriel Dreemurr, maybe Sans is a better villain, I don't know and I'll never know because I won't play genocide

[Fynn]

Conceptually probably Lavos but character developmentwise probably Undertale SpoilerAsriel Dreemurr, maybe Sans is a better villain, I don't know and I'll never know because I won't play genocide

(SPOILER)Pretty sure Sans on genocide isn't the villain, just your main antagonist. You're the villain there.