Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 20

Thread: The Paradox of Girly Entertainment

  1. #1

    Default The Paradox of Girly Entertainment

    So let's start with something everyone on an FF board knows: Final Fantasy X-2. Guys will swear it's a girly game and they can't be seen playing it. Yet, I don't think they included the hot springs scene or designed the Dresspheres for girls. Well...most girls.

    Yet this is hardly an isolated incident. There was another popular thing around the time of X-2 I was just reminded of.


    A comment with a ridiculous number of likes - something like 500 - on a TS video says "I can never admit to my guy friends I watched this."

    But why? Did you see what the girls were wearing? Did you ever see how obviously Clover was intended to be crush material for boys? (mission accomplished for young me,BTW)

    It's just really bizarre. I suppose the latest example is something like MLP but I never watched that. But it feels like there are so many of these fictional franchises that are "oozing girliness" yet are clearly also steeped in blatant appeal to boys and men.

  2. #2
    Taking care of business Cid's Knight Bubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Shmocation
    Posts
    9,753
    Articles
    2
    Blog Entries
    2

    Default

    I suppose this is related but MissH and myself were pushing our ten-month-old son around a discount shop the other day and we picked up a cheap pair of pom-poms and started shaking it in his face. He absolutely loved it and laughed his head off! We bought them obviously but it was only when we got to the counter that it said in big pink letters at the top "For Girls".

    Well smurf that, if my boy wants to play with pom poms then he's damn well gonna play with pom poms.

  3. #3
    Radical Dreamer Cid's Knight Fynn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Tower of the Swallow
    Posts
    16,863
    Articles
    56
    Blog Entries
    16

    FFXIV Character

    A'nutoh Tia (Sargatanas)

    Default

    Yeah, gendered toys and cartoons are bulltrout. Let people watch and play with what they want.

  4. #4

    Default

    Follow @LetToysBeToys on Twitter for kindred spirits around the world (although primarily the UK).

    The thing that got me over the idea of 'girly' stuff was watching K-On! At first I was like "this is my guilty pleasure". Then I thought about it and realised that feeling guilty about watching an anime I like is the stupidest thing ever. Then I watched Lucky Star and REALLY got over it, and now I am a big fan of many things some would consider 'girly'. Because, as it turns out, girls don't just automatically have trout taste in entertainment just because they're girls!

  5. #5
    (charm)anders was right Pike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Circle Tower :shifty:
    Posts
    18,604
    Articles
    13

    FFXIV Character

    Althalor Lightpike (Excalibur)
    Contributions
    • Former Editor
    • Former Cid's Knight
    • Former Social Media Manager

    Default

    this is the same reason why I don't understand why so many guys are so up in arms about a female Thor. Like have you seen her? Super hot super blonde lady who could snap you in two like how do guys not like this.

  6. #6
    Radical Dreamer Cid's Knight Fynn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Tower of the Swallow
    Posts
    16,863
    Articles
    56
    Blog Entries
    16

    FFXIV Character

    A'nutoh Tia (Sargatanas)

    Default

    Well, if you wanna approach it from a gender studies standpoint, the ultimate root cause of this is that we are all taught in more or less direct ways that everything feminine is worse and everything girls touch can't be used by boys anymore (like names). So yeah

  7. #7
    Skyblade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Earth, approximately
    Posts
    10,383

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Pike View Post
    this is the same reason why I don't understand why so many guys are so up in arms about a female Thor. Like have you seen her? Super hot super blonde lady who could snap you in two like how do guys not like this.
    Ok, spin off topic here: The big problem is that it doesn't fit the lore. Thor has always been Thor. It's not a title, it's his name. Other people have carried the hammer before. The get the costume, they get the powers, they do not become Thor.

    I advise you to read this reddit post if you are further interested:
    https://archive.is/pNCE2

    In short: Female Thor runs against the entirety of the Thor comics lore.




    That said, I've enjoyed plenty of "girl shows", and never really cared what people thought. The closest thing I have to guilty pleasures are programs or games which I believe are objectively bad, but which I enjoy anyway.

  8. #8
    Slothstronaut Slothy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    I'm in space
    Posts
    13,218
    Blog Entries
    27
    Contributions
    • Former Cid's Knight

    Default

    Yes, Thor is the Odinson's name, but there's nothing stopping Thor from letting her use his name, particularly when he views himself as both unworthy of the hammer and unworthy of the respect, responsibility, and adulation that comes with it. Which is basically what he did.

    There's also the fact that no one knew who the new Thor was so what do you call her? "hey you with the hammer?"

    I can see where people are coming from with the name Thor not technically being a title, but it is a name that's come to represent something over time and him letting someone else honour his name by doing the things he no longer can makes total sense to me.

  9. #9
    (charm)anders was right Pike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Circle Tower :shifty:
    Posts
    18,604
    Articles
    13

    FFXIV Character

    Althalor Lightpike (Excalibur)
    Contributions
    • Former Editor
    • Former Cid's Knight
    • Former Social Media Manager

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyblade View Post
    The big problem is that it doesn't fit the lore.
    Yeah, nah, I still don't get it. Comics get revamped and retconned all the time anyway. Like Spidey has had how many origin stories now? I'm huge into the lore aspects of several fandoms (Warcraft, TES, Dragon Age, Star Trek to name a few) and stuff gets retconned all the time and you live with it. I think comics probably retcon a lot more than most. No idea why people still get mad about it. Retcons come with the territory.

    That's all super offtopic though, haha. So I'll shut up now

    MLP is funny because even though it's very "girly", all the ponies fit anime "waifu" sterotypes. The athletic one, the smart one, the shy one, etc. I think that's part of why it attracts a lot of guys. I say this as someone who likes MLP (even though I haven't watched it in years.)

  10. #10
    Resident Critic Ayen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Kansas City, Kansas
    Posts
    13,160
    Articles
    12
    Blog Entries
    76

    Default

    It makes sense for media to do this since they're trying to cater to as many people as possible. If you can get all genders watching your show, then that's just a bigger overall audience you can reach, and therefore more profit.

    As for the rest, yes, as boys we're basically taught that all things feminine are bad and if you like girly things you need to hand in your man card. This is dumb as there's more to being a man (and a woman, and any gender period) than what kind of media you consume. If my masculinity is only defined by something so trivial then here:



    Take it. It wasn't that good to begin with.

  11. #11

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ayen View Post
    It makes sense for media to do this since they're trying to cater to as many people as possible. If you can get all genders watching your show, then that's just a bigger overall audience you can reach, and therefore more profit.

    As for the rest, yes, as boys we're basically taught that all things feminine are bad and if you like girly things you need to hand in your man card. This is dumb as there's more to being a man (and a woman, and any gender period) than what kind of media you consume. If my masculinity is only defined by something so trivial then here:



    Take it. It wasn't that good to begin with.
    Honestly they never issued me one in the first place because I... I...

    I CAN'T GROW A MOUSTACHE THERE I SAID IT

  12. #12
    Skyblade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Earth, approximately
    Posts
    10,383

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayen View Post
    It makes sense for media to do this since they're trying to cater to as many people as possible. If you can get all genders watching your show, then that's just a bigger overall audience you can reach, and therefore more profit.

    As for the rest, yes, as boys we're basically taught that all things feminine are bad and if you like girly things you need to hand in your man card. This is dumb as there's more to being a man (and a woman, and any gender period) than what kind of media you consume. If my masculinity is only defined by something so trivial then here:



    Take it. It wasn't that good to begin with.
    Honestly they never issued me one in the first place because I... I...

    I CAN'T GROW A MOUSTACHE THERE I SAID IT
    I'm the full-beard + mustache type, myself. Would prefer to go clean shaven to just a 'stache.

    Wow, we cannot keep this thread on topic.

  13. #13

    Default

    As someone who grew up with pro wrestling, I think I'm in a weird position about my man card. I mean, what can be more manly than big, beefy, sweaty man grappling each other?

    No seriously, this is "okay." Contrast with someone like Shawn Michaels who was pretty girly-looking as far as pro wrestlers go and frequently danced pretty flamboyantly. That was part of his thing.

    It's all very weird.

    And I know Totally Spies was good, Pumpkin.

  14. #14
    Radical Dreamer Cid's Knight Fynn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Tower of the Swallow
    Posts
    16,863
    Articles
    56
    Blog Entries
    16

    FFXIV Character

    A'nutoh Tia (Sargatanas)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayen View Post
    It makes sense for media to do this since they're trying to cater to as many people as possible. If you can get all genders watching your show, then that's just a bigger overall audience you can reach, and therefore more profit.

    As for the rest, yes, as boys we're basically taught that all things feminine are bad and if you like girly things you need to hand in your man card. This is dumb as there's more to being a man (and a woman, and any gender period) than what kind of media you consume. If my masculinity is only defined by something so trivial then here:



    Take it. It wasn't that good to begin with.
    Honestly they never issued me one in the first place because I... I...

    I CAN'T GROW A MOUSTACHE THERE I SAID IT
    I thought I couldn't either, but look! Here I am with a mustache and beard! Anything is possible! Follow your dreams!

  15. #15
    tech spirit
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Virgo supercluster
    Posts
    17,920
    Articles
    2
    Blog Entries
    2

    FFXIV Character

    Mirage Askai (Sargatanas)

    Default

    Who should I sue for not giving me my man card?
    everything is wrapped in gray
    i'm focusing on your image
    can you hear me in the void?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •