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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaibana View Post

    p.s i dislike that obvious badguy English prick :l he's gonna mess stuff up with his new storylines.
    just like Elsie..
    he reminds me of this guy
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    i dont like their excesive use of 'smurf'

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    The outlaw who comes to town every 3 days to shoot everyone up is Paolo from Lost. Probably my favorite robot character. Should learn his name.
    we dont know Paolo from lost, so lets just keep it at Hector :P
    Just one of a couple of jabronis.

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    since the hype around this show isnt that big here and on the internet in general ( ) i feel safe enough to watch it a day later on HBO On Demand on the tv :3
    since it airs here at 03:00 in the night on a monday i'll watch it on tuesday

    edit: ooh, its also on 20:30 but i dont have time then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotic View Post
    How many of us have played a game like GTA and gone on the rampage, smurfing up everyone's trout for no other reason than fun? This is just the same principle with more advanced technology.

    To the best of my knowledge the NPCs I killed were not sentient nor remember what I did so I don't feel any guilt over it. Sure, they ran away screaming and cried out in pain when I shot them, but that was just their programming. It's part of making a realistic experience. If I was suddenly made aware that actually they have the same cognition as the hosts in Westworld I would feel like an almighty piece of trout and wouldn't do it again. But they don't... I hope
    Um, I haven't!! And hell no it's not the same principle. The possibilities that exist within technology absolutely impact who we are as people and also impacts what the hell "real" even means. Are you people not watching Black Mirror??!

    I mean, that's if you are fully willing to literally stick your dick in a nearly perfect replica of a human being who is begging you not to, then you are a rapist, full stop. Arguing that this isn't the case is asinine. We're not talking about a court of law here, we're talking about who you are as a person. I would argue that deriving pleasure from directly creating and participating in causing perceived misery of others makes you pretty smurfed up, regardless of whether that misery is a series of program code spitting out natural reactions relevant to the situation.

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    Loved the Anthony Hopkins 'hey I know what you're doing and can stop it any time I choose but go ahead and have fun, k?' scene in this episode. Also I keep forgetting his character's name so I'm just going to refer to him as John Hammond.

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    Another good episode. John Hammond (aka Robert) is indeed stone cold, loved that little switch he did with Teddy. Westworld itself seems to be a much bigger concept than I imagined. A full town of skullfaces and orgies and apparently an entire war?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miriel View Post
    I mean, that's if you are fully willing to literally stick your dick in a nearly perfect replica of a human being who is begging you not to, then you are a rapist, full stop. Arguing that this isn't the case is asinine.
    But I'm not arguing that's not the case I agree with your definition of a rapist there. I'm just asking where we draw the line because, as a question of ethics and morality, this show really intrigues me. It seems you and Del both consider the physical act by your own body to be the defining characteristic but where we disagree is that I don't think you can necessarily separate your behaviour by proxy or an avatar either.

    Talking about robots and rape. Kinda gross/mind scarring if you're sensitive to that stuff.If you had a robot which you had full control over using a video game controller, and it has a robot penis (I am so sorry, this is the worst thing I have ever said on this site!), and you control that robot to make it rape someone, are you not also just as much of a scumbag rapist than if you had done it yourself?

    So, assuming video game NPCs have the same sentience as the characters in Westworld, isn't inflicting these crimes upon them just as awful? Especially if you believe they're just programs and have no feelings. Or would we just be content to say someone who commits rape in a video game (I don't even know if there are any games where it's possible but I assume so) is a creepy weirdo but not morally guilty of the act of rape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotic View Post
    Another good episode. John Hammond (aka Robert) is indeed stone cold, loved that little switch he did with Teddy. Westworld itself seems to be a much bigger concept than I imagined. A full town of skullfaces and orgies and apparently an entire war?
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    I mean, that's if you are fully willing to literally stick your dick in a nearly perfect replica of a human being who is begging you not to, then you are a rapist, full stop. Arguing that this isn't the case is asinine.
    But I'm not arguing that's not the case I agree with your definition of a rapist there. I'm just asking where we draw the line because, as a question of ethics and morality, this show really intrigues me. It seems you and Del both consider the physical act by your own body to be the defining characteristic but where we disagree is that I don't think you can necessarily separate your behaviour by proxy or an avatar either.

    Talking about robots and rape. Kinda gross/mind scarring if you're sensitive to that stuff.If you had a robot which you had full control over using a video game controller, and it has a robot penis (I am so sorry, this is the worst thing I have ever said on this site!), and you control that robot to make it rape someone, are you not also just as much of a scumbag rapist than if you had done it yourself?

    So, assuming video game NPCs have the same sentience as the characters in Westworld, isn't inflicting these crimes upon them just as awful? Especially if you believe they're just programs and have no feelings. Or would we just be content to say someone who commits rape in a video game (I don't even know if there are any games where it's possible but I assume so) is a creepy weirdo but not morally guilty of the act of rape?
    Oh there definitely are, and they are, unsurprisingly, japanese.
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    meh, i'm thinking wrong..

    monday 03:00 is in my mind after 00:00 monday evening. but thats already tuesday :3
    so when i get home on monday i can already watch it... yay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotic View Post
    But I'm not arguing that's not the case I agree with your definition of a rapist there. I'm just asking where we draw the line because, as a question of ethics and morality, this show really intrigues me. It seems you and Del both consider the physical act by your own body to be the defining characteristic but where we disagree is that I don't think you can necessarily separate your behaviour by proxy or an avatar either.
    I don't think there is a line. Like porn at EoFF, you know it when you see it. Actually, it's more like a spectrum. Obviously committing the crime of rape to a human being is on one end. Your robot penis example may not be as close to it as sticking your flesh penis in a humanoid fleshy robot but it's still on the rapist spectrum.

    The only line is what makes you a criminal, and that's a really important line, but this discussion isn't about who is or isn't a criminal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotic View Post
    Another good episode. John Hammond (aka Robert) is indeed stone cold, loved that little switch he did with Teddy. Westworld itself seems to be a much bigger concept than I imagined. A full town of skullfaces and orgies and apparently an entire war?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miriel View Post
    I mean, that's if you are fully willing to literally stick your dick in a nearly perfect replica of a human being who is begging you not to, then you are a rapist, full stop. Arguing that this isn't the case is asinine.
    But I'm not arguing that's not the case I agree with your definition of a rapist there. I'm just asking where we draw the line because, as a question of ethics and morality, this show really intrigues me. It seems you and Del both consider the physical act by your own body to be the defining characteristic but where we disagree is that I don't think you can necessarily separate your behaviour by proxy or an avatar either.

    Talking about robots and rape. Kinda gross/mind scarring if you're sensitive to that stuff.If you had a robot which you had full control over using a video game controller, and it has a robot penis (I am so sorry, this is the worst thing I have ever said on this site!), and you control that robot to make it rape someone, are you not also just as much of a scumbag rapist than if you had done it yourself?

    So, assuming video game NPCs have the same sentience as the characters in Westworld, isn't inflicting these crimes upon them just as awful? Especially if you believe they're just programs and have no feelings. Or would we just be content to say someone who commits rape in a video game (I don't even know if there are any games where it's possible but I assume so) is a creepy weirdo but not morally guilty of the act of rape?
    Oh there definitely are, and they are, unsurprisingly, japanese.
    In your robot dick example, yes, that does make someone as much of a scumbag.

    If you've seen the White Christmas episode of Black Mirror, it deals with what people are willing to do to "lines of code" or programs that they don't view as having the same level of consideration as human people. And it is utterly and completely horrifying.

    This is what I mean by technology having huge implications on morality and ethics. And the better the technology gets, the more those issues are going to be pronounced. The fact that one technology is an extension of another, doesn't mean that technology as a catch all can be assumed to be separate from our humanity. The technology in West World is good enough so that the hosts in the world believe that they are real, and they believe that are experiencing the things that are happening to them. And on a level that even some of the people in the show don't realize, they are beginning to have sentience outside of what was initially programmed into them. So the argument that they aren't being brutalized doesn't really fly because of the whole consciousness aspect. But even without consciousness, you still have to contend with what people are willing to do to robots, which says more about that person than it does about the technology or the robots.

    Maybe I'm pessimistic but I think the better our technology gets, the more the horrible side of people will rise to the surface.

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    Caught up with the show. Love it. There's a game called Talos Principle and I think it'll end the same way as that game. (SPOILER) The AI's reach consciousness by being freed from the game and get downloaded into an outside body or robot.

    Also call me crazy but the song on the OST "No Surprises" sounds so much like Garnet's theme. I think most of the music reminds me of FF9's world, do you hear it?

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    Ahhh this latest episode was so good. Maeve! MAEVE. I expect she's going to have a LOT of fun.

    Why do shows nowadays have intros that last ages though? Like, Westworld's and many others are really well made and I can appreciate them one or two times but after that, I just wanna see the show, not sit through one and a half minutes of something I've seen before!
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    Yeah! Maeve is a beast. And I fully agree about the intro, it was cool seeing it once but now it's kinda ehhh. Lost did it right!

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    Technically Seinfeld was doing it right first. Though I don't mind the intro. I could watch that thing all day. Of course some of us aren't youngins spoiled on intros tailored to their small attention spans.

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    Must've been a long 18 months

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