Spoiler and Final Impressions Thread

[Sephiroth]

No, the game does not indicate it. Being fond of someone and caring for someone doesn't necessarily mean you're in love with them. I'm not contending that they were in love, I'm contending that the game itself does not show that they're in love. To suggest that they are is entirely up to your own interpretation, but I'm basing my opinion off of facts.

The way some people interpret the ending, which I agree with, is a sort of "ideal world" that would have happened had Luna not died. They would have developed a romance and been together. But in reality, they didn't.

The logo itself was not rewritten or remade to fit the new story. Only the character filling the role of the logo was rewritten. Which makes it seem forced, because it is.

Base your opinion off the fact that not every sentence is blunt and we are lucky enough to even get some blunt Japanese things because a lot of what is said in Japanese is part of subtext. In Final Fantasy we even get plenty of stuff where we do not even need to know that. And people still manage to not understand the blunt parts. So make of that whatever you want.

Whether you like it for not, the game as a matter of fact does indicate their feelings and emotional bond. The only thing that is a fact is what I have already stated and that is that it has no good narrative execution, meaning it could be told a bit better and with a few more steps, that is basically the part where I agree. Your problem is that you just want a blunt "they are in love. Rinoa sits on Squalls lap, Tidus and Yuna dance underwater" message and that's it. There are various ways in stories to actually tell a message about an emotional state of one of more persons. In Final Fantasy IV Cecil and Rosa are already together. We are supposed to believe that they are in love even though that is not even close to being one of the most important plot points. Luna points out multiple times how her fate is connected with Noctis. They have this "person x has some sort of obligation to person y but it becomes more than just that" kind of story. Luna is so close to Noctis that they have the old-school "I meet you in a dream-like world" thing going on, in this one of course also combined with Luna's entire oracle-esque role and all. Luna is supposed to be connected to Noctis in any possible way, because he is the chosen one, share a more emotional and spiritual bond, know each other since childhood, et cetera. Noctis and her send messages each other all the time because they were not able to have any other contact for 12 years (if you really think you send a dog over the world for a person that is a mere friend to you and nothing else then think again). Not being together for 12 years is a very hard time and makes it even harder to tell such a story but what you claim they did not do is just not what it was. It was sloppy and in my opinion also not enough for my personal taste. But that's it. "Not enough" is not the same as "non-existent". Luna is there for Noctis all the time, even ready to die for him. And I am not talking about the main game alone but also Kingsglaive. That you need a full on-make out mode to believe them is the real problem here. And also - you have a hard time believing the ending because of this complaint of yours. But how about the ending itself being the final confirmation instead? We know almost nothing about Lord Rasler and it is still believable that Ashe felt something for him even though her storyparts when she thinks about him are not all about "oh Rasler we met when I was 16-year old and on our first date we were there and afterwards we were there ..."

It absolutely is there. It could have been better and I also want more to flesh it out and let Luna be more for me than the rare spawn of characters. But it is there.

You can see even I want more. But I would never actually say "I want more because there is nothing at all" because I know there are various ways to express the same thing.

Also, almost no one "interpretes the ending as the ideal world that did not happen". The ending goes from a very easy to understand healing world to a spiritual appearance of Luna and Noctis to show that they are finally together. even if it is just in death. The ending is basically nothing but Titanic. We get the typical fantasy shonen-type thing. The entire part before is "very dark and unforgiving but hey, at least here you get something for the ending to know that at least they are together in the end, here you have your happy end". There is no excuse of "reality" because reality in this Final Fantasy is also that there is a spiritual existence of people.

It also does not matter in the slightest if the logo was not changed. Fact is, the logo does not stand for what you want it to stand for. You are not the one who decides what is getting rewritten, you do not own the franchise and stop making factual claims like "it makes it seem forced because it is" because not everyone was annoyed by what you claim to "feel forced". I for example thought it was a very nice and sweet addition while Ardyn seemed forced to me.