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    To me as a final boss I never felt he was so hard to beat. The first time I beat him I didn't even try that hard and I beat him. Of course he has epic battle music but I really wanted a challenge with Kefka but I felt let down. I even tried not using summons magic spells or anything that would make the fight easier and I still beat him without much trouble. Does anyone feel like the difficulty could have been upped to make Kefka a lot harder?

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    Are you talking about his Mahou no Kami battle, so the final one or also the Hell, Earth, Heaven stages? Because I thought as long as you were not full of Ultimas, Ultima Weapon, Gem Box, Offering, Illumina and all, the battles were solid enough.

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    I was talking about the final main fight with the dancing mad song. Even if you don't have those items if you have good equipment you can still wip his butt lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabin-101 View Post
    I was talking about the final main fight with the dancing mad song. Even if you don't have those items if you have good equipment you can still wip his butt lol.
    The entire battle has Dancing Mad as song. I suppose you mean the last part of the song.

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    Yeah, he's a complete lightweight for a final boss, even with less than optimal builds.

    I wrote up a while back an Idea of how I would make the fight more challenging in an older thread.

    Kefka (Final Boss)

    • Kefka now takes half damage from all magic, even non-elemental spells* (Flare, Ultima) and skills that use Magic power to determine damage (Lores, some Rages/Blitz/Tools/Bushido/Slots)
    • Trine, in addition to silence and blind, now inflicts Sap, Confusion, Imp, and Slow.
    • Vengeance, in addition to dispelling all Buff effects on party, and grants them to Kefka except Reraise/shell/protect/reflect which if present heals Kefka instead for 1000hp per status per character that had the status.
    • Forsaken now ignores defense and split damage, meaning it will most likely be a party wipe skill, though Shell status will reduce damage by 25% and Jump/Hide status will be immune.
    • Havoc Wing has a 10% chance of ejecting the character from the battle field.
    • Kefka now has four hit box placements on his sprite. Only one can actually have damage inflicted on him but its also the only one the player can target normally. Unfocused attacks from Blitzes, Rages, and X-Fight can still target these dummy hit boxes, but they have no HP and will count as a miss.


    Boss Phases

    Phase 1
    Full HP to 41,000 HP

    • Kefka starts the battle with Heartless Angel/Fallen One
    • Kefka Immediately casts Barrier Change
    • In this phase only one elemental spell will hurt him of the 8 elements. He still only takes Half Damage from the spell though.
    • Non-elemental spells used on him in this phase will be countered with Ultima
    • All non-magic attacks will miss
    • If Quick is used, Kefka will counter with Fallen One followed by an immediate use of Ultima.
    • Kefka will alternate between the three -aga spells, Havoc Wing, Vengeance, and Fallen One



    Phase 2
    40,999 to 20,000


    • Kefka will drop the Magic Barrier ruse and start charging Forsaken
    • Kefka takes half damage from all magic and has a 50% evasion to all physical skills. Kefka will not be hit by any unfocussed spells (Quake, Meltdown, Tornado) that he casts.
    • Kefka will counter any physical hit with Havoc Wing
    • Kefka will dual cast all magic spells and adds Bio, Graviga, Quake, Meltdown and Tornado to the list. Kefka will still use Fallen One, Vengeance, and Havok Wing though only 33% of the time.
    • If Barrage/X-Fight is used with a physical attack, Kefka will immediately counter with Vengeace, then Fallen One followed by Ultima even if the player attack reduces his HP to zero.



    Phase 3
    19,999 to 0Hp


    • Kefka will use Vengeance whenever ReRaise is active on a party member except when his algorithm has him casting Ultima next.
    • Kefka takes half damage from all magic and has a 50% evasion to all physical skills. Kefka will not be hit by any unfocussed spells (Quake, Meltdown, Tornado) that he casts, but is still susceptible to any the party uses.
    • Kefka will now have an irremovable status effects of Haste/Protect/Shell
    • Kefka will counter any physical hit with Havoc Wing
    • Kefka will replace Havoc Wing with Hyperdrive in his normal repertoire of attacks.
    • Kefka will now triple cast Flare, Holy, and Meteor. He will single cast Ultima.
    • Kefka can now also use Curaga which will restore 9999hp, if Kefka's HP somehow returns to Phase One status, Kefka will enact the Barrier Change tactic again but still retain all of his abilities from Phase 3.
    • Kefka will still charge up and use Forsaken though its casting time is faster.
    • When HP is reduced to zero, Kefka will use the attack Light of Judgement as a final attack. LoJ will be just a recolored version of Forsaken, Kefka will also use his trademark laugh as he disintegrates.



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    I so want to read this but as I'm on my second play through now and I didn't quite finish my first one... I have no idea how tough he is! I guess I hope he isn't too easy for a final boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno View Post
    Yeah, he's a complete lightweight for a final boss, even with less than optimal builds.

    I wrote up a while back an Idea of how I would make the fight more challenging in an older thread.

    Kefka (Final Boss)

    • Kefka now takes half damage from all magic, even non-elemental spells* (Flare, Ultima) and skills that use Magic power to determine damage (Lores, some Rages/Blitz/Tools/Bushido/Slots)
    • Trine, in addition to silence and blind, now inflicts Sap, Confusion, Imp, and Slow.
    • Vengeance, in addition to dispelling all Buff effects on party, and grants them to Kefka except Reraise/shell/protect/reflect which if present heals Kefka instead for 1000hp per status per character that had the status.
    • Forsaken now ignores defense and split damage, meaning it will most likely be a party wipe skill, though Shell status will reduce damage by 25% and Jump/Hide status will be immune.
    • Havoc Wing has a 10% chance of ejecting the character from the battle field.
    • Kefka now has four hit box placements on his sprite. Only one can actually have damage inflicted on him but its also the only one the player can target normally. Unfocused attacks from Blitzes, Rages, and X-Fight can still target these dummy hit boxes, but they have no HP and will count as a miss.


    Boss Phases

    Phase 1
    Full HP to 41,000 HP

    • Kefka starts the battle with Heartless Angel/Fallen One
    • Kefka Immediately casts Barrier Change
    • In this phase only one elemental spell will hurt him of the 8 elements. He still only takes Half Damage from the spell though.
    • Non-elemental spells used on him in this phase will be countered with Ultima
    • All non-magic attacks will miss
    • If Quick is used, Kefka will counter with Fallen One followed by an immediate use of Ultima.
    • Kefka will alternate between the three -aga spells, Havoc Wing, Vengeance, and Fallen One



    Phase 2
    40,999 to 20,000


    • Kefka will drop the Magic Barrier ruse and start charging Forsaken
    • Kefka takes half damage from all magic and has a 50% evasion to all physical skills. Kefka will not be hit by any unfocussed spells (Quake, Meltdown, Tornado) that he casts.
    • Kefka will counter any physical hit with Havoc Wing
    • Kefka will dual cast all magic spells and adds Bio, Graviga, Quake, Meltdown and Tornado to the list. Kefka will still use Fallen One, Vengeance, and Havok Wing though only 33% of the time.
    • If Barrage/X-Fight is used with a physical attack, Kefka will immediately counter with Vengeace, then Fallen One followed by Ultima even if the player attack reduces his HP to zero.



    Phase 3
    19,999 to 0Hp


    • Kefka will use Vengeance whenever ReRaise is active on a party member except when his algorithm has him casting Ultima next.
    • Kefka takes half damage from all magic and has a 50% evasion to all physical skills. Kefka will not be hit by any unfocussed spells (Quake, Meltdown, Tornado) that he casts, but is still susceptible to any the party uses.
    • Kefka will now have an irremovable status effects of Haste/Protect/Shell
    • Kefka will counter any physical hit with Havoc Wing
    • Kefka will replace Havoc Wing with Hyperdrive in his normal repertoire of attacks.
    • Kefka will now triple cast Flare, Holy, and Meteor. He will single cast Ultima.
    • Kefka can now also use Curaga which will restore 9999hp, if Kefka's HP somehow returns to Phase One status, Kefka will enact the Barrier Change tactic again but still retain all of his abilities from Phase 3.
    • Kefka will still charge up and use Forsaken though its casting time is faster.
    • When HP is reduced to zero, Kefka will use the attack Light of Judgement as a final attack. LoJ will be just a recolored version of Forsaken, Kefka will also use his trademark laugh as he disintegrates.


    Nice list and yes he is a total lightweight. They hyped him up to be this god like figure and when you get to him he really wasn't that tough. I thought when you first faced him in the snowy field behind Narshe I thought he was a good enough challenge. Hopefully if there is a redone version square will make Kefka a lot harder.

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    He was rather easy. I even did the challenge of beating him with a party of imps which were not to difficult.

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    He's a kid with a gun. I can't say I'm surprised. He stumbled into power, it's not like he actually knew what he was doing. So it makes sense. It's like the weirdo ending to old-timey action movies when the hero finally faces down the leader of a gang who's sat on his ass behind a desk too much ordering people around and not doing anything himself, and can't put up a good fight once finally confronted

    Granted, Hollywood eventually realized that's no fun, and now usually makes head honchos ridiculously skilled for a worthwhile final showdown. I just can't imagine Kefka studying and practicing to become a master with/against magic and martial arts



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    To bring in some alternative to Kanno's post.

    Cefca - Mahou no Kami


    HP: Amount of spells all your characters have x 500
    MP: 999, Never depletes
    Absorbs: Magic Attacks
    Immune to: All negative Status ailments

    Moves:
    Mad Fireworks (ignores Runic,
    disarms Celes if she tries):
    Fire-Elemental, 3 RNG hits for characters
    Mad Blizzard (ignores Runic,
    disarms Celes if she tries):
    Ice-Elemental, all-target, 25% freeze-chance for everyone
    Mad Thunderstorm (ignores Runic,
    disarms Celes if she tries):
    Thunder-Elemental, 5 RNG hits for characters
    Mad Flood (ignores Runic,
    disarms Celes if she tries):
    Water-Elemental, all-target, 5% chance of removing character from battle
    Mad Terraforming (ignores Runic,
    disarms Celes if she tries):
    Earth-Elemental, all-target, 10% chance of petrification
    Mad Gust (ignores Runic,
    disarms Celes if she tries):
    Wind-Elemental, all-target, 5% chance of swapping character or removing them completely if no one is left
    Mad Ultima (ignores Runic,
    disarms Celes if she tries):
    Non-Elemental, all-target, RNG 9999 damage against 1-3 characters
    Havoc Wing:
    Physical, 9999 damage against one target, not reducable
    Hyper Drive:
    Physical, all-target, RNG sleeps for 1-4 turns, 2500xnumber of turns
    Fallen One:
    all-target, momentary Hit Points = 1
    Trine (ignores Runic, disarms Celes if she tries):
    Non-Elemental, all-target, RNG status elements: Sleep, Confuse, Silence
    Missing (Goner, ignores Runic,
    disarms Celes if she tries:
    Non-Elemental, all-target, character LVx50
    Missing Zero (ignores Runic,
    disarms Celes if she tries):
    Non-Elemental, all target, RNG 1-5 hits against random targets, Hit 1: 1000 damage, Hit 2: 2000 damage, et cetera
    Sophia's Blessing
    (ignores Runic, disarms Celes if she tries):
    +9999 HP on Cefca, Protes
    Sephirot's Blessing
    (ignores Runic, disarms Celes if she tries):
    +9999 HP on Cefca, Shell
    Zurvan's Blessing
    (ignores Runic, disarms Celes if she tries):
    +9999 HP on Cefca, Haste
    Deities' Crusade:
    all-targets, Death, Petrification, Sleep, Blind, Silence, Confuse or 1-5000 damage
    Light of Judgment:
    If(Terra is an active party member or still functional as backup){
    If(Terra is in Trance){
    let her guard the others that breaks so she has to give it her all;
    Dialogue between Terra and Cefca;
    Remove Trance;
    initiate Terra KO animation;
    Remove Cefca;}

    If(Terra is not in Trance){
    bring her in in Trance and let her guard the others
    that breaks so she has to give it her all;
    Dialogue between Terra and Cefca;
    Remove Trance;
    initiate Terra KO animation;
    Remove Cefca;
    }
    Else{
    Party Wipe
    }
    }
    Else{
    Party Wipe
    }





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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyk View Post
    He's a kid with a gun. I can't say I'm surprised. He stumbled into power, it's not like he actually knew what he was doing. So it makes sense. It's like the weirdo ending to old-timey action movies when the hero finally faces down the leader of a gang who's sat on his ass behind a desk too much ordering people around and not doing anything himself, and can't put up a good fight once finally confronted

    Granted, Hollywood eventually realized that's no fun, and now usually makes head honchos ridiculously skilled for a worthwhile final showdown. I just can't imagine Kefka studying and practicing to become a master with/against magic and martial arts
    If you want to make the fight challenging, I suggest building a party consisting of Umaro, Mog, Gogo, and Gau. Umaro must be imped, Mog must use Dance, Gogo can only use Rage or Dance and must do the same as Mog or Gau's rules, and Gau is restricted to WoB Rages.

    @Sephiroth

    Nice ideas, I especially like the shout-out to the Warring Triad names Nomura used in the production phase for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno View Post
    @Sephiroth

    Nice ideas, I especially like the shout-out to the Warring Triad names Nomura used in the production phase for them.
    Not just there. Goddess, Doom and Poltrgeist also have their normal names Sophia, Sephirot and Zurvan in FFXIV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno View Post
    @Sephiroth

    Nice ideas, I especially like the shout-out to the Warring Triad names Nomura used in the production phase for them.
    Not just there. Goddess, Doom and Poltrgeist also have their normal names Sophia, Sephirot and Zurvan in FFXIV.
    Interesting, I had not heard they went with those names for XIV. Course it would help if I played XIV, but that shipped sailed. Still neat to know though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno View Post

    Interesting, I had not heard they went with those names for XIV. Course it would help if I played XIV, but that shipped sailed. Still neat to know though.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vyk View Post
    He's a kid with a gun. I can't say I'm surprised. He stumbled into power, it's not like he actually knew what he was doing. So it makes sense. It's like the weirdo ending to old-timey action movies when the hero finally faces down the leader of a gang who's sat on his ass behind a desk too much ordering people around and not doing anything himself, and can't put up a good fight once finally confronted

    Granted, Hollywood eventually realized that's no fun, and now usually makes head honchos ridiculously skilled for a worthwhile final showdown. I just can't imagine Kefka studying and practicing to become a master with/against magic and martial arts
    If you want to make the fight challenging, I suggest building a party consisting of Umaro, Mog, Gogo, and Gau. Umaro must be imped, Mog must use Dance, Gogo can only use Rage or Dance and must do the same as Mog or Gau's rules, and Gau is restricted to WoB Rages.

    @Sephiroth

    Nice ideas, I especially like the shout-out to the Warring Triad names Nomura used in the production phase for them.
    Forget the rage off hand, but one of them basically can charm Kefka making him destroy himself. Rage is a giant no no for a challenge.

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