Quote Originally Posted by Pascal
Okay, you have some a decent observation, and I agree that Raven's post isn't exactly hard evidence. However, using the argument that not voting for Lloyd makes him suspicious isn't very strong. Barely any of you did, even with very strong evidence.
No, but that he's so confident in Jade, even though he did vote for Lloyd, adds to that suspicion. Now, of course a mafia can vote for another mafia - it's a good way to seem less suspicious. However, it's also highly risky. As I decided to change my vote to Raven, the vote was 3-1. Had Jade voted Raven, it could have been 2-2. So Jade voting Lloyd does work in his favour in my view.

Quote Originally Posted by Raven
I am the Miller. So far there has been 0 counter claims to that because I am.
Quote Originally Posted by Elize
On the smaller topic of the Miller, I do find it interesting that there has been no counter-claim against Raven's Miller claim. We know there is a Miller in play, so it isn't as if he could safely fake-claim that.
Not so fast there. There are more reasons not to counter-claim Miller than "Raven is telling the truth". For example, let's say, hypothetically, that I was the Miller. I would currently know, without any doubt, that Raven is lying. So he would probably be Mafia or Independent.

There are 8 players remaining. That means, with no other information, the odds of another town voting to lynch me are 1 in 7 (per townie).
However, if I counter-claim Miller, then town knows that EITHER Raven or I are lying, and most likely mafia. My odds of being voted are now closer to 1 in 2 (per townie).

So if I were the real Miller, I would think twice before counter-claiming if I could get away with not doing so.