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    And deny your offspring to learn the horrors of why we went wireless? For shame Del Murder, kids need to know these things.

    We're halfway through the list now. I know a few of you have started a few games I mentioned on this list, anybody else feeling that tinge of nostalgia or gaming curiosity?

    Any entry surprise you yet?

    I'll give a hint about the next few entries:

    One was inspired by a child finding a cave in the countryside.
    One involves Mars
    One involves smoking jaguars
    One involves ice skaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno View Post
    One was inspired by a child finding a cave in the countryside.
    One involves Mars
    One involves smoking jaguars
    One involves ice skaters.
    Style Savvy!

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    First one has to be Zelda! The original, by the sounds of it.

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    49.Man, we're jumping into the top 50 and I'm starting with a serious classic. Like SMB3 before it, it's difficult to really write something about such an iconic game that most people know. This was my first Zelda game, the first I played, owned, and beat. Thus it stands to reckon that it holds a very warm place in my heart. It still boggles my mind that it took me close to a year to beat this game, whereas my last two playthroughs have taken me only an evening.The first entry is the beginning of the long feuding love triangle between Legoals cosplaying as Peter Pan , Link; always a damsel in distress, never a bride Princess Zelda; and sexy thief who really let himself go to the dark side Ganon.The game's design was inspired by Miyamoto's childhood days of exploring his family's country getaway and all the cool things he uncovered. He wanted to really invoke that feeling and thus Zelda's open world set-up was conceived. What's interesting to me about the original Zelda, was how ahead of it's time it really was. Nowadays, people throw around buzz worlds like "open world" and "non-linear design" as the mediums go to buzz words of the 21st century, but Zelda achieved all this stuff back in the toddler years of video games. While Zelda has grown to be one of Nintendo's biggest properties, especially in the Western world, it does still surprise me to meet Zelda fans who never touched the game that started it all. Even more baffling when I hear some of these same fans complain about the difficulty of the game compared to later installments. Zelda 2 is a tough as nails game, but the first Zelda is actually pretty easy, it just doesn't ever hold your hand and it's primary gameplay advice is always "try everything" in order to proceed, something the later Zelda games ultimately fazed out from the series. I still remember trying to take this game down in an era where the internet gaming community was still in it's infancy and finding back issue guides for Nintendo Power at the library could be a serious challenge. So for me, the satisfaction of eventually figuring out most of the game's puzzles and the thrill of finding dungeon 8 when you've just barely finished dungeon 2 is still exhilarating.In a lot of ways, and perhaps this is just the "old fogy" in me wearing my rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia as I wax on about the "good old days"; but I kind of feel like the information age has made us really lose out on the sense of discovery that older games once possessed. With every new generation of consoles, it feels to me that there is less to find and uncover in this happy medium of video games and more of just people whining about strategy guides, wiki's and how dare the devs put in a secret that is ridiculously easy to miss. The mindset has changed, but perhaps it's due to games like Zelda, that offered such a rewarding experience of finding secrets and figuring out it's various puzzles that leaves me wishing more games did such things. I still tend to play dry run through where I refuse to use faqs or ask help from other players, simply cause I want to recreate the at feeling. That to me, is the Zelda Experience.Bottom line, if you haven't played this game, do so, and don't get any help from a fag or walkthrough. If have played this game, then well when was the last time you did so? It's the Zelda title that has had one of the biggest impacts for me, though it is not my favorite as you'll find out eventually.




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    I finally beat this for the first time a few years ago. I never could get very far as a kid because I sucked at these kinds of games, but I still played it all the time.

    I just wish I knew other people playing this stuff when I was a kid. I could have seen myself loving having friends swapping secrets we'd find and giving each other hints. Unfortunately, things had moved on to the snes/genesis and even ps1 era when I was able to talk games on the playground and such.

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    One day I'll play the original Zelda. I actually quite enjoyed Adventure of Link, so I'm not afraid of it being too "Old School"
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    My son likes OG Zelda too!

    Also we beat Catherine and we saw Dragon Quarter for cheap at a video game thingy we went to so we got it!

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    It pains me to say that I've never actually completed this. I've started it countless times and even completed many of the dungeons. I just found it really easy to get lost in... and not in a good way. I think I was a bit spoiled as my first Zelda was ALTTP where it was a lot easier to navigate around. I will complete this at some point though as it is the starting point for a truly incredible gaming franchise.

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    Zelda was my first game. It was the game that got me into gaming. My dad brought an NES home when I was five, with Zelda. I would watch my dad play the game when he came home from work until he beat it. Then, I began to play it. I beat it when I was five. Not like a my dad helped me fight the bosses or find the dungeons, I legitimately played through the game myself. I could still pop the game in and beat it in an afternoon with no need for any kind of guide. Twenty years ago, when I was in my prime, I could do it in an hour. Its been about three years since I've last played through it, but that original Zelda cartridge is still the one I have, and the battery is still going strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpkin View Post
    My son likes OG Zelda too!
    That's a good boy.

    Legend of Zelda has got to be the inflation-adjusted best game of all time. It is so far beyond what was available at that time and is still pretty great even today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del Murder View Post
    Legend of Zelda has got to be the inflation-adjusted best game of all time. It is so far beyond what was available at that time and is still pretty great even today.
    Hmm, well, if you don't count the games that came before it (like the first 4 Ultima games) because they weren't on a popular console, that's probably true.

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    48.Okay, so moving past a classic, we're back to giant robots, and after another one coming up soonish, you won't have to listen to me talk about giant robots beyond an occasional Metal Gear for quite awhile. MechCommander is also the only RTS on this list, so I'm sorry if that is one of your favorite genres, and this will also be my second to last PC exclusive title on the list since this is technically the last PC game I was really into until maybe a few years ago when I started taking advantage of Steam.If you actually bothered to read my entry on Battletech (#76) on this list, you have a basic rundown of the early franchise. Remember when I mentioned that the former commander of the Star League basically gave the warring houses the middle finger and then left the galaxy to make his own Star League with hookers, gambling, and booze? Well ended up instead creating a new society of soldiers built around competition and an extreme honor system. While the group fractured into various clans, they are all honor-bound to that commander's dream of returning to the Inner Sphere and recreating the old Star League, by basically wiping out the various Houses and conquering all of it. Guess who showed up after the fourth succession war? To make matters worse for the Inner Sphere, the Clans not only still retain the knowledge of the technology from the Star League days, they've actually improved it. So when the Clans initially show up, they pretty much tear the Inner Sphere a new one and conquered large swaths of territory. Ignoring the large amount of politics and historical battles that take place, the Clan half succeeded in their goals. They failed to take back Terra where the manipulative ComStar controlled the Inner Sphere behind the scenes, but their frightening battle prowess and major victories were enough to actually force the various Houses of the Inner Sphere to forget their grudges and band together to form the Second Star League. Their first act was Operation BULDOG, which was a major force built from various houses and mercenary groups to take back all the territory the Smoke Jaguars Clan had taken during the Clan Invasion. This is the setting of MechCommander and specifically details the battle to take back the planet Port Arthur. You play the titular Mech Commander, in charge of a small force doing operations in the war effort to take back the planet. While you only start with four pilots and some pansy ass Light Mechs, you can eventually earn or salvage enough materials to build a powerful platoon of veteran fighters with mechs from both the Inner Sphere and the Clans. In addition to guiding the unit to complete the mission objectives, you're also in charge of using military funds to keep their battlemechs in top condition, change their payload, hire new pilots, and purchase new weapons and mechs to help make missions easier.The game is mission base with different objectives for your unit to complete that range from taking out enemy bases, assassinating a powerful enemy mech, escort missions, saving prisoners of war, or reconnaissance. The mission variety is quite nice and keeps you on your toes, often forcing you to think carefully about which pilots to send and what mechs to outfit them with.Many of the missions have secret objectives that can also be completed that usually nets you both new gear to outfit your unit with, and extra money for repairs and buying new mechs. Most pilots start out Green except for two you are given in the early game. They move up in rank as they survive missions and can eventually become elites that can will make even the toughest missions manageable. They are ranked by their skills which give you an idea of the type of mech they should be piloting. A pilot with great Sensor skills and little gunnery skills should probably not be piloting a combat focused Hunchback AC2 while a combat expert shouldn't be piloting a reconnaissance focused Raven or lightly armed Commando with a Jump Jet build. While I don't know if this was programmed into the game or not, the pilots have personalities you canb read on their bios, but my friends and I have noticed that certain pilots seem to show off funny traits. For instance, I've always found the pilot Beast to have incredibly dumb luck. If he's not the only unit that walks away from a mission virtually unscathed, then he's usually the one with a sliver of health that somehow manages to survive it. He also tends to be the guy who lands the most critical hits for ome reason which made him an excellent pilot for the Hollander and Hunchback. Lynx on the other hand, and this happened with all of my friends, is the guy who has a bad habit of wandering off from the group. I don't know why he does this, but he's the one who forced me to restart a mission when he discovered a Mad Cat in Mission 3 to both his and my own misfortune. Perhaps it's just our imagination, but it really does bring an interesting human element to the gameplay as you start giving your pilots imaginary traits or notice odd quirks with them. Speaking of the mecha, you have a whole variety of options in the game. You start of with two simple Commandos and a Firestarter, but can eventually acquire things like a Hunchback, Atlas, or Centurion through the shop. More mechs unlock as you successfully complete missions. You're even able to customize them by buying different variants with their own strengths and weaknesses like the speedy but incredibly fragile Jump Jet versions, the more combat focused Weapon variation, and the defensive and great for escort mission Armor variety. The real challenge is salvaging enemy mechs from missions. If you can defeat the enemy mech units without totally destroying them, it's possible to salvage them and add them to your arsenal. This is incredible invaluable as it is usually the only means of acquiring Clan mechs and weapons, which as I stated above, is incredibly powerful compared to the Inner Sphere equivalents. Unfortunately, whether you can salvage a mech largely comes down to luck and so you may find yourself replaying the same mission over an over to finally get that one unique mech you want.Speaking of which, this game can be quite challenging, in fact, it's one of the few games on this list I have never actually beaten due to getting stuck on a particularly nasty mission that appears late in the game. Part of this can sometimes be that your intel is bad or just poorly focused. For instance, the second mission only gives you an idea of what is around the mission objective points, it does not talk about what else is on the map which includes a really nasty Medium class Hollander Mech sporting a Clan version Gauss Rifle which will pick apart your light weight mechs like wet tissue paper. The third mission is more infamous for having a goddamn Timber Wolf (Mad Cat) wandering by it's lonesome self on the bottom of the map, and even if you somehow salvaged that Hollander from mission 2, the Mad Cat can easily destroy it by itself. One of my favorite memories of this game, is actually setting up a trap for that Mad Cat and eventually beating and salvaging it, so the next dozen or so missions become utter cakewalks in comparison. This game was a real treat for me in middle school and high school, due to playing it along with two other mecha fan friends I had, so we would share stories of our exploits and share secrets. It was probably the last time I ever really did this with anyone outside of a forum, so this game gives a warm nostalgia to me about those times. Also, despite what you see in the video intro, while it is possible for that unit configuration to win a fight against the Mad Cat, it pretty much requires the enemy pilot to be both dumb, and the heroes incredibly lucky cause that mech should have wiped the floor with that whole unit. Also, hooray for campy live action videos from Western Strategy games. I really need to give Command and Conquer a try someday.


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    Gee, methinks you like giant robots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del Murder View Post
    Gee, methinks you like giant robots.
    What can I say, I was a Transformers, Voltron, and Robotech fan as a kid.

    I'm also not going to imply that I may have been late with this entry due to reacquainting myself with it over the weekend...

    After the next entry, you won't really have to listen to me fanboy about them as much.
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    47.
    I've always felt like the PS2 was a late bloomer. It was several years into it's lifespan that I finally felt the system actually had a good collection of games, and by the end, it probably has one of the best gaming library's of any console. The early years, not so much. Armored Core 2 was the only launch title I was remotely interested in, being a real sequel to the same series from the PS1. I also feel it may be the best entry.Set in a Blade Runner inspired future where mankind ruined the earth and lives underground while mega corporations rule the planet like governments. AC2 slightly bucks the trend by changing the setting to Mars, where humanity is hoping to start anew after smurfing up their starter planet. Of course the Mega Corps follow, and so do their proxy wars, which are played out by Ravens, mercenary's that pilot the so-called Armored Cores for money, and have no real loyalty to anyone. The main plot is typical backstabbing corporate shenanigans with a subplot about lost alien technology being found on the planet. Frankly the differences in AC plots are in the details but that's not why you play these games.As a Raven, you start off with a cheap AC unit and have to prove your worth to the corporate masters and other Ravens by successfully completing missions and building your prestige in the AC Arena. The money you obtain can go towards outfitting your AC with better gear and doing missions for the various CEOs will garner you special benefits like discounts on parts or access to exclusive weapons or missions. In a lot of ways, AC is sort of a Sci-Fi centric early predecessor to another famous From Software title, Dark Souls. Both games feature a more lore based story with minimal, but still impactful characters, challenging battles and gameplay that will hone your skills, and an incredibly deep customization system that gives you multiple ways to tackle the various game challenges and give plenty of replay value. It lacks DS' quirky multi-player, but makes up for it with the Arena, where you test your unit against specially designed AC units.Seriously the customization in this game is staggering and it's more than just cosmetics and weapon load out, as you have to buy parts for radiators, engines, targeting systems, and much more which all offer unique changes and tweaks you can give your AC unit. MY favorite part is that after beating the game and making a new completed save, you can restart the whole game with all the parts you bought in your old save, as well as the removal of the weight restriction which really opens up more customization options than before, and finally gives you a fair shot against the top Arena fighters who are all cheating bastards no held by the weight rule. Like seriously, the unit on the cover is impossible to make in a normal playthrough. This is something the later games kind of removed sadly or at least hid it behind more tedious challenges that I don't have time for. AC2 is a mecha heads dream game that combines the deep gameplay elements of something like Dark Souls with the insane customization options of a Gran Turismo title, and I absolutely love it. There was even a few gaming mags back in the day that would hold contests where fans submitted their own custom AC units that I always found fun. With that, I'm done with giant robot games for awhile. I have like one true robot game left on this list, and most of you probably know which one it is. We'll be going back to RPGs and classic games for awhile after this.


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