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    Default Channel Awesome #changethechannel Controversy

    So I have been following this story for the last couple of days. If you don't know what Channel Awesome is, let me give you a quick rundown.

    Channel Awesome used to be That Guy With The Glasses. It was basically known for the site to go when BlipTV was a thing, and it is best known for the Nostalgia Critic, one of the earliest internet reviewers that focused (originally) on nostalgic movies. Early on, the site had tons of producers on the channel (movie and game reviewers, mostly), many of the major ones are still active to this day on YouTube, including Nostalgia Critic/Channel Awesome.

    Basically, lots of former producers started to discuss on Twitter a lot of shady stuff that happened in the roughly ten years since the site's inception during March. On April 2nd, a HUGE google document was released containing former producer's grievances, frustrations, stories of mismanagement, and frankly completely unacceptable behavior. Even if you have no idea who any of these people are it is worth a read to see how easily internet fame can go off the rails if handled by incompetent people. Be warned. This document is a LONG read. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...UBa4dA/preview

    Now, I will admit that some of this reads like people have a chip on their shoulder, and they probably do. But that fact that this many people (and there is another document linked in there that contains negative fan experiences, as well) have this much to say? I tend to believe that most of these stories are true. There are some screenshots and whatnot of some of the stories, verifying them, and thus proves how these people operate. Because of that, I can easily see most of what these people say going down. Also, there are far too many people on this document for this situation to be a simple misunderstanding or some other innocent explanation. I do understand that I am only seeing lots of one sides to an overall larger story, though. I still say the document shouldn't be ignored or brushed off in any way.

    It really, really doesn't help that Channel Awesome released one of the weakest apologies ever written. It literally says "We regret you feel that way" in it. https://twitter.com/ChannelAwesome/s...56519280861184

    Most of the problems seem to stem from Mike Michaud, a sociopathic manager that has ego and anger problems. However, Doug and his brother Rob basically contributed to some problems, or stood by and did nothing. Michaud actually owns the Nostalgia Critic as a whole. He's literally the boss. I still think it is shady that Doug didn't even try to interfere with, frankly, some very dark things that happened.

    I used to be big into Nostalgia Critic from the very early days. Although I haven't watched the content religiously since around 2012, I still popped in and would watch a few reviews once in awhile. I can't in good consciousness support the channel anymore. Again, even taken into account that some people involved in that document has a chip on their shoulder is exaggerating or is taking some misunderstandings too harshly, it seems that there was a torrent of bulltrout underneath all the fun times, wacky gags, etc. It's a damn shame.

    As of this writing their subscriber count has gone down over 10,000 and it is slowly and surely continuing to go down. https://socialblade.com/youtube/user...esome/realtime

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    I remember a bunch of stuff similar to this coming up at the last exodus of talent from the site. Here we go again!

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    Yeah I read the whole Google Doc today. That trout is crazy. The channel kinda lost me a while ago as I basically stopped visiting it after Lindsay Ellis went and started her thing (which I follow to this day, religiously), but I never expected anybody parted on anything other than good terms. I’m most sympathetic towards both Lupa and those more obscure producers who were basically just stepped under the rug. That is terrible practice and really doesn’t speak well for any of the parties responsible for it. And then there’s all the sexual harassment! Yikes!

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    Can we have some highlights?
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    Jinx you are absolutely smurfing insane. Never change.

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    https://amp.dailydot.com/upstream/ch....co/J55VqQYhy9

    I think the best bit was when Mike Ellis was hired after he sexually harassed Holly the HR manager. Rob and Doug then put her in a safe hoise, escorting her armed with baseball bats and a sword (!). Doug also tested pepper spray in a sink. It didn’t work out too well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinx View Post
    Can we have some highlights?
    The article Fynn posted is a good rundown. I was going to copy and paste some bits for you, but the doc has that disabled. I'm telling you the document is worth the read. Just go to any random spot and read if you are pressed on time. You WILL come across stuff that is messed up. Holly's section in particular is messed up.

    Here is some stuff I remembered off the top of my head. There is seriously so much more than this.

    One of the things that got me is that a smaller producer wanted to do something on JewWario's suicide. He was shut down by Mike Michaud because he admitted that he wanted someone bigger to cover it for bigger views. Dude literally wanted to profit from someone locking himself in his bathroom and shooting himself.

    Another former head of site got obsessed with the former HR manager, Holly. Things got so out of control that when they let the guy go, Soug, Rob, and others ESCORTED HER TO AN IMPROVISED SAFEHOUSE WHILE CARRYING BASEBALL BATS AND A SAMURAI SWORD!!!

    *In "To Boldly Flee" Doug wanted to include a comical rape scene between Mecakara and Nostalgia Chick. It was still in there, but the original script was worse. Film Brain sees it happen and ignores it while trying to play it off comically. You can see this page scanned in the document under the Lupa's section.

    *To company Policy was issued with a "coming soon" message and they were still expected to adhere to rules they made up on the fly and randomly enforced.

    *They started a crowdfunding deal to fund a game show and other projects. Got $90,000. They half assed the show, didn't deliver as many episodes as promised (but made enough to keep things legal). Other promised shows were also half assed or never materialized.

    *Every anniversary movie was a nightmare behind the scene. Doug and company had to be told to provide water for people. That barely scratches the surface of how smurfed up the production on those movies were.

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    Interesting link, I've been reading through it. On the one hand I get that most of us have some connection to CA, although distancing yourself from that, it sounds like generic incompetent management who have no idea what the smurf they're doing and managing by being troutheaps to people. Stuff like this happens in a lot of businesses and we just never hear about it.

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    You mean most businesses escort their harassed employees armed with baseball bats and samurai swords?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotic View Post
    Interesting link, I've been reading through it. On the one hand I get that most of us have some connection to CA, although distancing yourself from that, it sounds like generic incompetent management who have no idea what the smurf they're doing and managing by being troutheaps to people. Stuff like this happens in a lot of businesses and we just never hear about it.
    Keep reading. It goes well beyond simple business mismanagement. There is some frivolous stuff in there, but most of it is frankly unacceptable.

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    Oh okay yep there we go. Fair dues!

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    Holy trout that's some ridiculous drama.

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    Yeah, I'm reading this and a bunch of stuff so far I feel like I already knew.

    It all got swept under the rug last time, huh. Glad it's getting exposure now.

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    I wonder if they’re done for after this. Followers unfollowing aside, Linkara quit right after this went public and he was pretty much their biggest producer aside from Doug himself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynn View Post
    I wonder if they’re done for after this. Followers unfollowing aside, Linkara quit right after this went public and he was pretty much their biggest producer aside from Doug himself
    Unfortunately, I don't think that they'll be done. The numbers are dropping, but it isn't really that sharp enough. However, I really do hope they take a hard hit, and if they are still around that they learned their lesson from all this. From the sound of that Mike guy I fear that won't be the case though.

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    Chris Stuckman left of his own accord. Sorry that I keep talking about this, but I was big into TGWTG back late last decade and early this decade. This is both depressing and facinating to me.

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