I like gameplay being about more than just winning as well, but I don't feel I have to create a sense of challenge instead of being given one, and I just can't enjoy what you enjoy as there is no real benefit that I can find in it, as I don't find it fun, which means it's poor gameplay. I agree we'll have to disagree. I will say I enjoy things like stealing with a thief because there are tangible benefits, but doing things like particular spells just to watch them be in mini/toad etc. for a while when I could have saved the MP by just hitting him to death in a few moments... for me this just doesn't compute.

It was pointed out beforehand that there is the S-Ranking thing, which I really enjoyed getting for all those monster fights on Gran Pulse. So I guess personally I found that really enjoyable as a challenge outside of the regular mash X to win stuff, finding a way to take down those guys at brutal efficiency took a bit of figuring out in many cases, often having to use methods/paradigms that weren't previously used. So I guess that's about as close as I get to what you enjoy.

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It’s not a changed battle system, it’s a set of overall tweaks plus a modified character progression system. You know, like the expert sphere grid from FFX. So by that logic, FFX PAL/HD is a spin-off and not a main game. He’ll, by that logic, every retelease is a spinoff. FFs 1 through 3 had substantial gameplay tweaks and difficulty reductions, with III having named characters instead of nameless. Spinoff!

Your logic is very flawed, is what I’m saying
Sorry, Zodiac is a new job system, I guess, more than battle system. Wrong word chosen. But for me I can only go by the game I actually played, and Zodiac wasn't a thing I could play and I don't enjoy the plot of FFXII enough to justify spending money on doing the entire thing again with a new job system. The job and battle systems aren't the most important thing to me in a game - the world, the characters and the story are. I can't comment on the job system of games I haven't played. The FFXII I played was nothing special for jobs. 'sall I can say on that, I'm sure you can understand not wanting to pay money for the same game just tweaked if it's not one of your favourites of the series.

If it were free or included in the original game I might've given it a go.