oh my god... listen to yourselves! who cares if the guy in the pipe is zack. and how do you guys know what jenova cells can and cant do? you dont, you just base it off what you see, and how do you know the reason that vincents limit is half full? maybe the guys at square just wanted it to be that way. sure you can hypothesize or extrapolate or whatever you want, but your all trying to convince someone about something that you cant be 100% sure of. is it really that bad if someone thinks the guy is zack? maybe some of your information is based on facts, but unless theres concrete evidence then why are you trying to convince people that your right? maybe cloud or aeris didnt recognize the guy cause he was bandages up, or maybe mutated a bit, but of course you can tell do to the super detail of the character model. and the game came out what, 6 years ago? i can only imagine how much of a wad your panties got in when this topic was discussed for the first time way back then. and sorry if some of my information is wrong, i tend to only play a game once, enjoy it, and not try to disect every single aspect. so untill you can show me dna tests that prove that zack isnt the guy in the pipe, i say he is. better get on those dna test!!! oh wait, you can't, its a game