That Bloke in the Pipe
I know this has come up before but I cant find the thread for it so....
Whats the bloke in the pipe for because he doesnt do anything and he just says "oohhhhhhhhhhhh aaaggggggggg" and thats about it and then he dissaears I know that he has a tatoo but there are no Renion People in that area. Another thing the man in the pipe he has alot of trophies was he at the Golden Saucer or something once.
i dnt know its just puzzling he's there and then he never comes back again.
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It's called 'foreshadowing'.
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Some people like to believe he's Zack. I say there isn't enough to prove that he is, but then again, there isn't really much to prove that he isn't. And it affords us some great fanfic opportunities.
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I don't think the guy was Zack, because (SPOILER)Zack was turned into a leaky peice of meat due to those Shinra soilders. I don't see how Zack could possibly of survived that.
(SPOILER)He took a hit from sephiroth (which tossed him out of the room and way the hell down the stairs), so what's to say he couldn't survive a few bullets? You see people get shot in battle and stay standing. They'd shot Zack earlier, then he went and you heard fighting, then he came back, and got shot again. He was injured, definitely. But it's possible that he stayed alive.
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Um.
(SPOILER) Zack didn't just "take a few bullets." He was caught by surprise with the first spurt and fell. Then one soldier walked up to his body and quite literally filled it with lead. Zack died.
(SPOILER)once again, Zack isn't any ordinary human. He easily survived a hit from sephiroth, and had MORE jenova cells added to him afterward. If jenova cells can bring Vincent back to life, it's conceivable that they kept Zack alive, but unconscious. Afterall, they didn't even bother to check if he was dead. They sure as hell didn't check cloud.
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I'm adding a spoiler warning to the title of this thread, so every post doesn't need to be invisible.
Jenova cells didn't bring Vincent back to life. He was only shot once, and we don't know where exactly, or whether or not it was a fatal wound or not. Furthermore, I doubt that he had any Jenova injected into him, because he was not drawn toward the Northern Cave during Reunion. If Cloud & co. had not disturbed his rest, he probably never would have awoken.
Vincent notwithstanding, Zack's as dead as a doornail. He wasn't just shot. He recieved a ten-second sustained burst from an automatic machine gun at point-blank range.
That's not shot.
That's mincemeat.
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Vinnie obviously has Jenova cells in him. A helluva lot, too. That's what triggers his limit break transformations. And if he just sat there "sleeping" in a coffin for all of Sephiroth's lifetime, but doesn't look like an old man, it's obvious that he was either dead, or constantly reconstructed by the jenova cells in him. If they can keep that guy unchanged for that long, they sure as hell can reconstruct Zack after he's taken several bullets damage. Remember, he hasn't completely recovered when you see him. he's still got a very similar syndrome to that which cloud had after the mako poisoning. That could be due to the intense amount of jenova activity in his body trying to repair him, which likely could have been going on within Cloud when he got "mako poisoning". As for Vincent not being called to the reunion, he WAS called. When Cloud first tells him their whole story with sephiroth, vincent just wants to go back to sleep, and says something along the lines of "more nightmares will come to me now". And according to him, he deserves the nightmares. But when they leave the basement, he just goes and joins them without gathering any information further than what they'd already told him. His motives for changing his mind weren't made clear, at least not that I remember. So it's quite possible that the Jenova cells in him subconsciously made him join them.
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That does makes sense, and it serves to cover why Vinney decided to join the party with seemingly little explination, if any.
that bloke in the pipe cant be zack or aeris would recognise him
Please, remember, Zack took a burst from an automatic machine gun, in the head, at point blank range. That means that his head is splattered across that cliff near Midgar.
If Jenova cells can't rebuild Vincent's arm, they sure as hell can't rebuild Zacks brain and head. Even if you disregard Vincent, Jenny couldn't rebuild her own head, so I doubt the Jenova cells in Zack could.
Furthermore, Hojo's notes indicated Zack had little or no response to the Jenova cells, as opposed to Cloud who had a strong reaction to the Jenova. Vincent really is irrelevant in this discussion; we simply have no idea what was done to him, and cannot consdier him a model for the standard Jenova infectee, considering the presence of third-party genetic strands in his nucleii.
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Dak Rey has a point. If you went there with Aeris, she would have recognized him.
Somebody in the streets of the slums says that he's horribly sick (or something like that).
I always thought it was a fetch quest that Square ripped out, and just left the character there.
The "bloke" was one of the people that later attended the Jenova Reunion. Just go with that, it's not as confusing.
That's right. He's the first clone to appear.
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*Agrees*
There is no way it could be Zack. Not only because I think he is as dead as a desert night. If they really had revived him with Jenova cells, then
and the bloke in the pipe definitely has a head. Barrett would have pointed it out otherwise.Please, remember, Zack took a burst from an automatic machine gun, in the head, at point blank range. That means that his head is splattered across that cliff near Midgar.
To do is to be. (Sokrates)
To be is to do. (Sartre)
Do be do be do. (Sinatra)
with ff7's blocky graphics, that could have been Zack's chest he was shot in. Which would mean his lungs and ribcage are nothing but a jumbled mass of red pulp, but that's easier for Jenova cells to fix than something so complex as a head. Vincent's arm wasn't fixed because it wasn't supposed to be. Vincent was shot and killed. Where in there does he lose his arm? He was given synthetic parts as well as Jenova cells. We can infer that he had Jenova cells in him not just by his limit breaks, but because we know Hojo is obsessed with Jenova cell research.
Zack did have a bit less of a reaction to the Jenova cells than cloud did, but that's because he's stronger, and his body was able to handle it. He still has them, and they still work. They just don't take him over and control him like they do to cloud.
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Let me get this straight: you think Zack sat in front of his ex-best-friend and his ex-girlfriend, and NEITHER of them recognised him?
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Zack didn't have "a bit less of a reaction" than Cloud. According to Hojo's notes, he had no reaction at all.Originally posted by Nicholas D. Wolfwood
Zack did have a bit less of a reaction to the Jenova cells than cloud did, but that's because he's stronger, and his body was able to handle it. He still has them, and they still work. They just don't take him over and control him like they do to cloud.
If Jenova cells restore your body so well, then how come Jenova herself was (not really that hard) defeated when she could just be constantly restoring all of her organs and body parts-if cells could bring someone back to life-then woudln't the actually body be simply immunne to just about everythign, yet you defeat Jenova like 5 times....
where d'you find that out?..Originally posted by Kawaii Ryűkishi
Zack didn't have "a bit less of a reaction" than Cloud. According to Hojo's notes, he had no reaction at all.
Search for Hojo's notes in the back room of the study beneath Shinra Mansion. Cloud and Zack are referred to as "specimens" and not by their names, but you can tell which is which by Hojo's comments.
Zack isn't taken over by them the way cloud is. But they're still in there, and still capable of repairing him. To the guy who has really bad grammar and made his post one long run on sentence, the reparation process isn't instantaneous. If the body is completely obliterated, there's not much they can do. Jenova can obviously build, because you can see the monster that's created from just her ARM. As for why they didn't recognize him, remember it's been a long time. He's been scarred by both sephy's sword and the bullets in his chest, a lot of reconstruction went on. His build would have easily shifted, and his face mutated by the Jenova.
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One of the people standing around the pipe, or someone in the party would have made a remark about that, I think. I never got the idea that the bloke in the pipe was meant to look mutated, with a shifted figure and an alien head. The only remarkable thing about him was his very limited vocabulary and the fact that noone knew him.
The trophies might be from the Golden Saucer, or perhaps they are the loot from the war in Wutai. That man is not Zack.
To do is to be. (Sokrates)
To be is to do. (Sartre)
Do be do be do. (Sinatra)
I didn't mean that drastically mutated. He would still look human. But more like a different human.
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With no disrespect, sir, listen to the theories you're coming up with. You're reaching an awful lot.
If the sick man was Zack, the script would have included some substantial hint of it, like having Aeris say that he reminds her of someone, or something.
so if he was able to handle and control them, where did he go? he wouldn't have gone to the reunion becuase he could hav resistedOriginally posted by Nicholas D. Wolfwood
Zack did have a bit less of a reaction to the Jenova cells than cloud did, but that's because he's stronger, and his body was able to handle it. He still has them, and they still work. They just don't take him over and control him like they do to cloud.
He DID got to the Reunion - that's why he wasn't there later.
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