Criticism of Games

[Sefie1999AD]

Dr Unne, may I suggest that you take a trip to FF9 forums and see how bad it is. I counted that there are at least 10 posts by different users who say "FF9 sux! Main character is f***ing gay!!!". I'm not generalizing that all FF9-bashing is like that, and I'm not saying people shouldn't have opinions, but it's really offending to see continous posts like that. If you don't believe me and realize how immature and dumb... sorry, loud and jerk-ish these posts are, let me quote all the loads of "FF9 sux and main character is f***ing gay!" -style posts from FF9 forums, from various threads, that have appeared during the last few weeks.

[Loony BoB]

I don't like it when people are crude and/or rude, but to say something sucks... well, a lot of us do it. *shrugs* I don't like mushrooms.

Mushrooms suck hard and their umbrella-esque shape is gay, they look like a dead tree/mouldy genitalia/homosexual fungi/dog crap/your mum and they couldn't get in my dinner even if they tried harder than chickencha does to taste scrummy. They look super-lame when they try to taste nice, and it's a miracle that the human race managed to stomach them at all in the first place with such a toe-bacteria-esque-quality and stuff. What a yuck thing.

I'm sorry, did I offend someone who likes mushrooms? Do you want me banned?

*runs away*

[crono_logical]

I think offending someone's mum when talking about how crap something is is taking things a bit far/personal

[The Man]

I can rest assured that you weren't being serious when you posted that, Daniel. There's a difference.

I wouldn't want a user who posted that banned the first time they did something of the sort, but I think a warning would be apt.

I don't like mushrooms either, by the way.

Peace
The Man

[Loony BoB]

Mushrooms suck hard and their umbrella-esque shape is gay, they look like a dead tree/mouldy genitalia/homosexual fungi/dog crap and they couldn't get in my dinner even if they tried harder than chickencha does to taste scrummy. They look super-lame when they try to taste nice, and it's a miracle that the human race managed to stomach them at all in the first place with such a toe-bacteria-esque-quality and stuff. What a yuck thing.

That's all serious, only put in a very... uh... uneducated way. But come on, not everyone is a genius at insulting mushrooms, and I wanted to do a close ripoff of that previous quote.

I stand by my comments about it all but the 'mum' part. Chances are, I've never seen your mum, so I can't be sure.

[The Man]

Quotes like that do offend a lot of forum users, whether or not it's silly for them to feel offended. The point is that they could be expressed far more politely and without apparent intention to hurt others. Everyone would be a lot happier. And it is expected that you sound intelligent when you post criticism of games or whatever; if you don't sound intelligent, that just pisses people off.

Peace
The Man

[crono_logical]

Difference is, I know he's being silly here


And I like mushrooms, well creamy mushroom soup or sauce anyway, goes well with pasta and chips, instead of boring old tomato people always have with it

[The Man]

OOC:	Originally posted by crono_logical Difference is, I know he's being silly here Yep. If he weren't, however, he would feel my wrath, much like Lavos. xD

Peace
The Man

[Sefie1999AD]

You're disappointing me, Loony BoB. A moderator who slips off-topic and makes prank about serious matter and posts unintelligent mushroom thrashing that is in no way related to this thread. Really, if you guys had been on FF9 forums, you'd know how big the problems there are. Ask Kawaii Ryûkishi if you don't believe me. Ask those who actually check it often.

Let me put some quotes to you guys from FF9. And they do have spoilers.

I HATE ZIDANE!!! Wanna know why? I'll tell you.

1.) he flirts like hell, but it's SOOOO lame.
2.) HE'S BUTT UGLY!!! he looks like he's :bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:in 11, not 16.
3.) he doesnt even ACT like a 16 year old. Those speeches he gives about believing in your heart and stuff are SOOOO cheesy.
4.) he's stupid
5.) he's a (SPOILER)Genome. I mean, that's GROSS
6.) his clothes are so gay
7.) he has the worst dialogue EVER in a final fantasy game.

Garnet's mad to fall for a freak like him. It's hard to imagine Zidane's tail swinging around while they're makin out...

oh, and 8.) he looks like a monkey.

Ok, that had loads of reasoning, though none of them makes sense and justifies the person's opinion.

zidane trys to hard out of battle, and in battle he dosent try enough. the only skills i see useful are steal, thivery, and soulblade. the daggers kick@$$. the limits suck @$$, and he has the most stupid f***** pants ever hes shirt and gloves are cool though

Zidane is an idiot
I have seen ten year olds with bigger musles.
He looks like F'n chucky for gawd sakes.
What is with those gay cuff links he dresses like a women.
save the world pssh I could kick his ass.
As if he could get Garnet or even a girlfriend.

There was this other thread, but the user edited his post. Kishi still closed that thread. Here are two closing comments from Kishi:

If you fail to express your opinion in a civil manner in the future, I will ban you. Too many people have complained about you too many times for me to keep you around any longer if you won't post with any intelligence. Thank you and good night.

Sorry, you lose. Try again sometime, preferably with some intelligence and tact.

In addition, one forumer called (SPOILER)Nicholas D. Wolfwood made loads of postshere where he was just repeating himself and that bashing for almost a month, and I was really starting to get angry about his bashing. Here's the thread closing comments from Crono_Logical:

I think he's(editor's note: he = Sephiroth1999AD) referring to you voicing your opinion so many times in the same thread it almost sounds like you're trying to change other people's opinions on the game, which is the feeling I get anyway. Sure, you can debate about it, but it all remain as opinions, either side of the argument, and I think people are starting to take things a bit too personal in here now as well. If you really dislike FF9 that much, I think you should be the one leaving this forum, not others, regardless of how civil you voice your opinion, too much of it is just as bad as one newbie-type hate flame.

NOTE: The name of one big FF-basher censored in the following paragraph. Highlight to view his name.
And then there was this thread at FF9 forums when (SPOILER)Nicholas D. Wolfwood was once again trying his FF9-bashing, or should I say, Anti-FF9-Advertising. There was a new user who had just began to play FF9 and (SPOILER)Nicholas kept breathing at his neck how much FF9 sucks.

I really think we've seen TOO much of this.

[The Man]

Sephiroth is absolutely right, and it's not just limited to FFIX-bashing either. Check this thread for some uncalled-for bashing of FFVIII that, in addition to being poorly thought-out, also made no sense. In particular, check the posts of a user called (SPOILER) Bloodthirst for some excessive mean-spiritedness after I politely asked everyone in the thread to be moderate when they expressed themselves.

I think this needs to stop.

Peace
The Man

[Dr Unne]

It's not our place to say what needs to stop and what doesn't. That's the job of the Mods.

[The Man]

Okay, that's my opinion. But I see this kind of thing making a lot of people very unhappy, and I don't like that at all. I think something needs to be done.

You're right, though, Unney; I should have put an "I think" before that statement in my previous post. *fixes*

Peace
The Man

[Bahamut2000X]

Well I for one am made at people that can't give legitimate reasons to why they dislike a FF other then "I thought *chacter name* sucked". And I have seen many people go on their whole reason just by that. I also think that this got a little out of hand. That turned into some flaming and I will supply some quotes that really p***** me off as I was trying to not go and do lot's of bad flaming like many of those quotes above were.

Posted by me.

Oh ya and Sigg I personally enjoyed FFIX and thought that VIII was a much worse game then IX was. I mean VIII had no real difference between your chacters excpet limits and well I have yet to see some people's limits. I also hated how it had soooo much potential but they just never put in some stuff that would of made good for the game. (Zell's grandpa, Hyne, etc.) I mean it also had the same predicable pattern on the end of disks you go fight Seifer then beat a sorrceross (except disk four which didn't have Seifer) I also hated how the magic system took forever to get spells. And some spells took forever to get enough of to be considered a amount that will let you get through the game. Also battles were dominated by GF's oh hey my weapon isn't killing it let's use a GF ok end of battle. The only exception was the last boss which lasted fgorever unless you had max everything and well few people actually get that far.

If you note I gave some decent reasons as to why I disliked the games rather then just a "He sucks I hate the game and that's my only reason for hating it". I gave some legitimate reasons (ok it is still crap but what do you expect from a 14 year old idiot?)

Then let's look at some people's response to my opinion as to why I disliked it.

we obviously dont agree or we wouldnt be in this forum. why are YOU here?

This was my response to that.

I have a right as much as everyone else to say what I want. *looks at title* Hmmm it says "DO you want a sequel for FF8?" That means this is all opion based and therefore I have a right to express my opinon.

And some more people's response.

and what is your point? do you think we will start hating ff8 when we hear what you say? the only thing you will ever manage by doing what you do is to create anger and frustration. please tell me you have something better to do.

Me this time.

No I am not trying to change what you think. I am giving reasons to why I dislike it and why Square would NEVER make a sequel for ANY FF. I mean I liked FFVI as much as anyone else but do you see me getting mad and yelling at anyone when they bash it? No. I mean I liked FFVI a lot too and do you see me saying they should make a sequel? I mean I hate the idea of ANY FF getting a sequel. So I am not just bashing on FFVIII. If you do insist that I am bashing then well I am bashing the idea of a FF sequel.

This guy again.

But i dont think it really matters what you think bahamut. If you hate ff8 then off coruse you dont want a sequel, anyone can understand that. So what are you trying to proove?

Me.

I am not just saying no to a sequel just because I dislike FFVIII dosn't mean that is the reason I don't want a sequel. I mean as I have said ANY FF sequel is not good not just FFVIII, don't mess up what I have said. I would even hate to see a FFVI sequel or FFI despite many people saying they were the best FF's. I just hate the idea of a FF sequel. I mean I would go for the idea actually under 1 condition. TAKE OUT EVERY FREAKING CHACTER FROM THE LAST. Why? Then that game would make sense with new people on lower levels then maxed out guys. Of course by the time they did that then what's the point? All the original chacters are gone and what do you know it's a brand new game instead.

Him.

so why are you trashtalking ff8? what does that have to do with how ANY ff sequel would suck?

Me.

When I was putting down VIII it was to say why I disliked it. I mean I didn't totally dislike it. Maybe I should mention the things I did like would THAT make you happy? Ok well here it goes. The graphics were the most realistic out of every FF when it came out. I also liked the Balamb Garden over all and as a veichle and I liked the better blue magic system of NOT having to wait forever to let a guy beat you up until you get the spell. I also liked the Ragnarok (guns.....need I say more?) I also liked the card game. Well those are all the reasons, I could also add I liked the music (which I don't think I would have to say that about ANY FF. I think it's just obvious.)

And in that one I even go on to say what I liked about the game.
He just stopped posting in the thread after that. But meh. I just get tired of people flaming for for having a legitimate reason to me disliking a game.

[Lightning_Demon]

Nobody can always agree. I do loathe FFVIII. I don't have to go into why I do. For now. But let's criticize with a bit of maturity.

Now why do I dislike FFVIII?

IT SuxxORS!! : )

Real reasons:
- Subpar battle system
- Lack of character focus
- Lack of depth in main character

[Spuuky]

OOC:	Originally posted by Lightning_Demon Now why do I dislike FFVIII? IT SuxxORS!! : ) Real reasons: - Subpar battle system - Lack of character focus - Lack of depth in main character This thread is not about FF8. It's not about FF9. This seems totally superfluous.

Well, I'm really torn on this topic. I think that people need to be less easily offended, and I don't think people should be banned, warned, or even looked down at just because they disagree. I think that if people don't like a game, they should be allowed to say so.

The problem is people who repeat the same thing over and over using various slurs to do it. A good example is 'gay' - they mean it in a completely negative way, because they think that being 'gay' is bad. If they said "Character X is a nigger" they'd be banned faster than you can say 'Nu.' Why is 'gay' okay, then?