WEAPONS

[PhoenixAsh]

Ah the penny drops. You haven't actually read what I said before argueing. Meteor COULDN'T destroy the world, without a ridiculous amount of theorising for the point of this thread.

[DelightfulSpekkio442]

I think this thread is going to destroy the world.

~MJE~

[playaGAW]

u PEOPLE IS TAKING THIS TOO SERIOUSLY!! The develeopers were probaly not thinking this when they made the game. This isn't even one of those gamesu have to thin about like Chrono Cross or something. That
game makes u think.

[Fighter2knight]

Jenova did not arrive on anything. Look at the power of Sephiroth in the end (that is, the Sephiroth clone). Barret says something along this line, "So this is the true power of Sephiroth?" Sephiroth is implied to be ultimately powerful. Look at the original Sephiroth that died at Nibelheim. He was said to be also very powerful. Now, let's see. What made Sephiroth so freakin' strong? Oh...that's right... JENOVA cells! Also, it is implied that JENOVA had a hand in controlling Sephiroth, just as Sephiroth could control Cloud, because of the Jenova cells. If Jenova could control something that powerful, she must be quite powerful herself. The Sephiroth clone in the end is unbelievably powerful, and she created THAT from a lifeless body that washed up from the Lifestream at the Northern Crater.

All right. We've now established that she is powerful. But why the crater. Why, it's simple! Jenova came from other galaxies (that alone is an indication of power), and the game leads you to believe that Jenova has injured, or at least been to, other planets. Jenova probably conquered planets to gain their power, and the power of the people. So she was probably eager to start the job right off. Now, it's been said that if you drop a penny (I prefer a steel crate) from the Empire State building, it will either kill someone or make a dent in the ground. Now, imagine a being of immense power, using all of its power and intent to force itself to the ground and to make an injury (similar to Sephiroth's meteor plan, to be in the center of Lifestream healing) on the ground, throwing itself from the height of thousands of Empire State Buildings, it would make a nice-sized dent in the ground. Seriously, look at the crater Ultimate Weapon made, and that's from just falling from less than a quarter than a mile above the ground, without even TRYING to make a crater. Granted, Ultimate Weapon is more powerful than JENOVA* SYNTHESIS, but perhaps only a little more than all of Jenova (see next paragraph).

We have established, once again that Jenova is powerful. She could probably survive such a fall, with a little life to spare. A kind Cetra probably came over and healed her now-transformed body. Also, another proof to her credit of power is the fact that Jenova's transformed ARM (JENOVA* BIRTH), could keep a party of powerful warriors at bay for a while. JENOVA* SYNTHESIS is said to be Jenova's head, not even her whole body, and it's still a difficult boss. Proof that JENOVA* BIRTH is Jenova's arm, check a game script. First of all, you see the arm on the floor after beating JENOVA* BIRTH, and one of the party members says that it is Jenova's (direction) arm. Once again, check a game script.

To the Planet! The Planet, like all planets, has no sentient thoughts (*gasp*) but just a form of instinct, called "nature". This "nature" causes erosion, plant growth, earthquakes, you name it. On this planet, its nature is to use its Mako energy to create Materia. The planet's "cry" is simply just a signal of its instinct. The Planet created the White and Black Materia, and "nature" filled them with Holy and Meteor. Nature created the WEAPONs, and nature used knew it had to have a defense against something that fell from the sky. It's not the act of falling from the sky that the Planet cares so much about, it's the fact that something that powerful to create a crater could injure the Planet further. It backed itself up with lines of defense, namely the WEAPONs, and the White and Black Materia. The Planet doesn't have eyes to see that Meteor is coming.

The Planet created WEAPON to defend against whatever fell from the sky and injured the planet. "INJURED THE PLANET". When Jenova was no longer a threat, then WEAPON and the other Weapons fell back asleep, and perhaps erased Jenova from their minds, not seeing Jenova was a threat any longer.

WEAPON, when it woke up, proceeded to Junon, to attack (coincidence? I think not!), a place that all Shinra execs were gathered, and where a powerful cannon was located. I think this is another instance of the Planet's instinct, nature, "talking" to the WEAPONs' instincts to tell them, "Hey destroy these guys here!" Diamond Weapon went immediately to Midgar, where the Shinra execs, once again, were gathered, with a very powerful canon. Also, all throughout the game the theme is, "We must destroy Midgar, or Midgar's reactors, because it (they) is (are) KILLING THE PLANET. DANGER, DANGER, CRISIS TO THE PLANET (sorry, got a little carried away). The Weapons woke up because nature, and their instinct, told them that a crisis had just happened. The Black Materia, which was created by the planet to defend itself (much like using your hand [Meteor] to swat a fly on your arm [Jenova], as the Planet created Meteor as a worst-case scenario, sacrificing a sting on its skin to prevent further stings), had fallen into the hands of someone who had used it incorrectly. The Ultimate Weapon went to Mideel because its instinct told it that something big was about to go down, and Ultimate assumed it was a crisis. The Lifestream bursting through Mideel wasn't because of Ultimate. If that was so, then the places that you chase it to would blow open as well.

Ruby Weapon and Emerald Weapon were created as (again, worst-case scenario), fuel to the flame. If Ruby and Emerald died in a crisis, it would provide an unbelievable surge to the Lifestream, which is why the WEAPONs were created sentient, so if the WEAPONs died, they would actually help the Planet repair itself. If Ruby and Emerald died, the Lifestream could probably patch up at the very least half of the Northern Crater. Ruby and Emerald could also be a last-ditch defense, if the Weapons were killed. That is why, when the only Weapon, that was killed by Cloud and the team, died (Ultimate Weapon), Ruby awoke. I believe the FMV of the Weapons awaking is the same in the Japanese version, because it doesn't show footage of Ruby and Emerald waking. This is why I think Ruby and Emerald awoke different times from the others.

Holy and Lifestream are defenses of the planet, not part of the planet itself, though both are created by the Planet, just like the WEAPONs. Holy is meant to counteract Meteor, or something falling from the sky perhaps. The Lifestream is meant to heal. The reason Lifestream aids Holy is because its instinct now realizes that Holy is failing to do its job, so it sort of forgets about healing for a while.

Back to Jenova. The game does say that the Planet can't fully heal as long as Jenova is alive. Yes.

Assuming all of the FFs take place on the same planet, which the coincidences would be too difficult to handle (e.g. Chocobo, XCalber, Bahamut, etc., etc., etc.), then Meteor has been summoned before, or at least Meteo. At least once in FFIIj by the Emperor. By Tellah, FuSoYa, and Golbez in FFIV, and by one of the Light Warriors (probably) in FFV, Meteo being the ultimate Time Magic in that game. Do not flame me or even respond to this paragraph, I beg of you.

I hope you took the time to read this extremely long post, as it took me a while to figure out. Please be sure to try a fanfiction on fanfiction.net which will be up soon, called WEAPON, which will probably clear up a few things.

[Big D]

WEAPON came into existence to defend the Planet from harm. Jenova was the peril which initially prompted this creation. After Jenova's confinement, WEAPON continued to lie dormant and unused... until the Black Materia was used, summoning Meteor, and creating a threat to the Planet. the WEAPONS came to life because their world was in danger.
[q=Fighter2knight]Assuming all of the FFs take place on the same planet, which the coincidences would be too difficult to handle (e.g. Chocobo, XCalber, Bahamut, etc., etc., etc.), then Meteor has been summoned before, or at least Meteo. At least once in FFIIj by the Emperor. By Tellah, FuSoYa, and Golbez in FFIV, and by one of the Light Warriors (probably) in FFV, Meteo being the ultimate Time Magic in that game. Do not flame me or even respond to this paragraph, I beg of you.[/q]I'm going to respond anyway. There's an entire thread on this very topic over in general FF. You should read it, and post there. The "FFs share a world" argument has bascially been debunked.

[DelightfulSpekkio442]

The Black Materia, which was created by the planet to defend itself (much like using your hand [Meteor] to swat a fly on your arm [Jenova], as the Planet created Meteor as a worst-case scenario, sacrificing a sting on its skin to prevent further stings), had fallen into the hands of someone who had used it incorrectly.

I guess Big D addressed this already, but I have to point out Aeris' description of the power of Meteor:

Aeris: ...this must be magic. Just what Sephiroth was saying. The Ultimate Destructive Magic, Meteor. It finds small drifting planets with its magic. And
then collides with them. This Planet might get wiped out entirely...

This is reason enough to believe that Meteor wasn't created by the Planet. It's interesting though, because you have to wonder, why would such a spell exist? Remember that Materia contains the knowledge of the Cetra...why would they want to be able to destroy the Planet? Perhaps the Black Materia somehow came from Jenova?

~MJE~

[PhoenixAsh]

Jenova creating the black materia would make sense, but that probably belongs in the Two Sephiroths thread.

I still want to know what the Weapons were actually for and why they were made to be so useless against anything they were designed to fight.

[Spatvark]

We all saw how big the meteor was right? One that size would not DESTROY the planet, but it WOULD (probably) kill all life on it. See, when the meteor impacts, it would create a gigantic dust cloud and block the sun from getting through completely. With no heat, all life would die, even in the ocean most likely (though I'll admit that's not certain).

it's accepted fact that meteors which are big enough cause gigantic climate changes; look at what happened to the dinosaurs! Alvarez's theory is pretty much accepted fact now, but then again, so is evolution, and that, just like Alvarez's extinction theory, is just that... a THEORY. Not fact...

Basically, I don't believe that the meteor would be big enough to destroy the planet, but life on the planet would definitely be toast... or rather popsicles =P

[Maxico]

fighter2knight basicly said what i wanted to say but I'll add something.

In my mind jenova is a celestial parasite. she jumps fro planet to planet sucking it dry and because of this she couldn't ride a meteorite because she would have no way of getting off the planet again. I also think she controls sephy completly. I posted something ages ago that some crazy guy wrote that said that jenova made sehpy so powerful and took control of him untill she regained full strength. that explains why all the deformed (tenticals like jenova ect...) are around sephy when he is in his powerfull boss forms and the last battle (after you've killed jenova) he is on his own and weak (one hit can kill him.)

what has this got to do with weapons? well there was no meteor before. jenova tryed to penetrate the earth the first time, failed, sealed by cetra, awakend by shinra, found most powerful being with jenova cells, deluded him with dreams of the promised land if he can get to the center of the world all to feed of the planet.

so in my opinion weapon could no destroy meteor because it was designed 2000 years before it was created.

meh

[PhoenixAsh]

Meteor wasn't around, but big things crashing from the sky weren't new. The weapons don't go near Jenova on the planet, or show any ability to fight things from space. What were they doing?

[Big D]

Well, Jenova was still in the process of re-forming when Meteor was summoned and the Weapons were unleashed. Sephiroth summoned Meteor, so he was the real threat that had prompted Weapon's activation. However, he was protected by his barrier. The Weapons couldn't touch him. It's possible that the Weapons recognised Sephiroth as (mostly) human, and so thought that humans were the threat. This would explain why they'd attack Junon and the Gelnika airships.

[Calvin]

Originally posted by Big D
It's possible that the Weapons recognised Sephiroth as (mostly) human, and so thought that humans were the threat. This would explain why they'd attack Junon and the Gelnika airships.

....and Midgar.

And I always thought that the reason Weapon attacked Midgar and the other places was simply to refill the lifestream. After all, Meteor is coming, Sephiroth is in the lifestream, and Jenova is on the loose. The planet needed some more energy, and although it is rather morbid, it decided to kill some peolpe to gain some stength.

[Bahmant zero]

jee, and i always thought weapon attacked midgar beacuse it had 7 or 8 mako reactors sucking the life out of the planet and the head of shinra was there, oh well.
Anyway, i think metor could of distroyed the planet for the simple reason that it was stated through out the game.

[EveningCross]

i think that it's clear that the weapons weren't after sephiroth because if they had been they could have killed him while they were down in that hole with him. I DO wonder why they couldn't destroy Jenova when she first arrived if she was THAT bad and from one of the very first posts saying that maybe Ultimate Weapon was the smallest because it could fly i don't know because it showed all of em bustin out of the planet when they awoke originally. If they weren't flying then those were some super jumps. That last one had nothing to do with anything but I just thought that I would add it in.

Also, let's try this one since I haven't seen it yet... Maybe since Sephy wasn't a Cetra he didn't know the true destuctive power of Meteor and summoned it thinking that it would make him and his "mother" all- powerful. Then when it hits the planet it kills everything, including him, destroys the planet and nobody wins. Game over, no continues. Just a thought.

[Big D]

I DO wonder why they couldn't destroy Jenova when she first arrived if she was THAT bad

The Weapons didn't appear until Jenova was (nearly) confined by the Cetra. Since Jenova was no longer a threat, the Weapons simply lay dormant.

As for Meteor's destructive power... Meteor's strong enough to 'destroy the Planet' in the sense that it could annihilate all life. It would destroy the human's 'world' , and injure the planet to an even greater extent than the Northern Crater's formation.