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    That's because we're so very civil here.

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    oh, can we argue over physics? can we?

    The size of the FF7 world is quite tiny. If you had a bridge circling the planet, it would take maybe 15 minutes to walk (not run, walk) around the whole thing. Well, alright, it'd be longer than that, but still it wouldn't take long. Need further proof that it's a small planet? Can you find a south pole? Last I checked, it ain't there. Now, given the small size of the planet, it wouldn't take much to destroy it, right? Like say.... A meteor. Now, let's consider the size of the crater. It's not THAT big, certainly not a whole lot bigger than Midgar. Just stuff to think about if you want to go arguing physics in the game

    Also, I think we've forgotten how planets "heal" It's not the same as how animals or plants heal (by repairing the damage done with blood and tissue cells for animals, or by growing again for plants). In fact, planets DON'T heal. Look at the grand canyon, that was caused by a trickle of water! Now, given that the game makes it pretty clear that the world of FF7 is sentient to some degree what with that lifestream thingamie, we can assume that it's also capable of patching itself up somehow or another. However, since it seems to need the lifestream to "heal" itself, wouldn't it make sense that Jenova was simply making it impossible for that to happen? I mean, doesn't it SAY that much? And yeah, she hasn't been there for a while, so shouldn't the planet have "healed"? Well no, it takes aeons for a landscape to change by itself.

    Anyway, just thought I'd throw down my two cents and make myself look like a fool again, got nothing better to do

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    The point is that meteor CAN'T destroy the planet or it's pointless. Given the relative size of the crater that means it can't be much bigger than what hit the first time. This is evidence enough for me that the original crash was probably at least half the size of the present meteor. Jenova isn't.
    The planet must heal fairly quickly, or again the whole point of summoning Meteor would be pointless.

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    Think Bahamut Zero. Yes, looks like the planet heals pretty fast

    Just to clarify some things that seemed kinda muddled last time...

    Planets don't heal themselves since an organism needs cells to heal. The lifestream is the only thing that could possibly "heal" the planet. I just wanted to point this out because I'd seen arguments to the extent of "if it's been healing all this time the crater must have been much bigger at first", but planets don't heal. They just change. If planets healed there would be no such thing as mountains or valleys.

    As to the size of the crater, have you ever watched Dragon Ball Z? Ever notice how the impact left by someone hitting the ground is much bigger than the person? I'm not saying the two exist in the same reality with the same laws of physics, I'm saying anime likes to break laws of physics to show how ultra-powerful people are.

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    The crater would undoubtedly be bigger than what hit it, unless what hit it had actually landed instead of crashed. That's not the point though.

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    Originally posted by Phoenix 17
    The point is that meteor CAN'T destroy the planet or it's pointless. Given the relative size of the crater that means it can't be much bigger than what hit the first time. This is evidence enough for me that the original crash was probably at least half the size of the present meteor. Jenova isn't.
    The planet must heal fairly quickly, or again the whole point of summoning Meteor would be pointless.
    1. Yeah, my Jenova-revenge theory.

    2. That is a completely worthless argument in a game. I am quite sure that the game designers weren't thinking about that.

    The crater would undoubtedly be bigger than what hit it, unless what hit it had actually landed instead of crashed.
    Again, quite worthless, but this time true. Jenova isn't that big, but have you actually seen her in full form? No...you have seen her cut up into fourths, battling her throughout the game. And, as DJ said, the Crater is about the size of Midgar. Watch the ending FMV. Meteor is quite a bit bigger than Midgar.

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    Well Synthesis would be pretty close to full form.

    The point remains, Meteor can't be much bigger a threat than Jenova was.

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    Except for that fact that Jenova nicked the Planet and now can't do it again, and that Meteor itself is bigger than Midgar and could probably tear a great big chunk out of the Planet itself.

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    I'm guessing Meteor has greater powers than simply being able to crash into the Planet. It is black magic after all.

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    Jenova didn't nick the planet, it tore a massive whole right to it's centre. If you ripped much bigger a chunk, the planet would just fall apart.

    Umm when did black magic ever do more than it was meant to?

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    Jenova put a Crater into the northern part of the planet. Possibly right into a mountain; that or a mountain grew up around it.

    Meteor is at least twice the size of the Crater itself.

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    Then it's travelling slower than Jenova did. It really doesn't matter.

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    Wtf does that have to do with anything? Now you're arguing the difference between how fast Meteor's going to how fast jenova was going? O_o

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    I stopped looking for sense in this thread a while ago. We're arguing over a videogame, after all... Look, we just gotta remember the big important fact: Meteor would destroy the world, Jenova didn't. Wasn't this thread supposed to be about the Weapons at one point?

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    About the Weapons and Meteor, actually.

    Yeah, I kinda believe Meteor would destroy the world, which was Jenova's objective. But it might not've. *shrug*

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