final fantasy viii and it's predecessors

[Rinoa Heartilly]

oh a let's compare ff8 to 7 thread , now that's original ^^

first i'd like to point out that there is no R=U thing...seriously take my word for it, there is a connection, but it's the simple connection clearlt explained in the game...
seriously

but one thing i would like to understand, just WHAT plotholes were there, yes there were some stones left unturned but i don't see in what way ffviii was plot-lacking in respects to ff7

because while you mention some parts were you find it lacks 'plot' and 'depth' you never clearly explain why
now i might be a slow dimwitted idiot for not understanding, but please humour me ^^

[PhoenixAsh]

Okay plotholes. Well lets see...

With the obvious exception of the whole time compression thing as I think they gave up on sense by then, there are many.

I'll just mention the glaringly painful ones.

Everything discussed at the ruined basketball court. (If you don't believe in R=U, then this is just insane)

Seifer and Co. I don't think people act this stupidly in real life, or even in fantasy.

ULTIMECIA, what the hell?????

Squall, he went from unqualified team member, to rookie team leader, to big team leader, to being in control of an entire army. This while kinda acceptable just added to the lack of realism.

Everything that happens after the Ragnarok lands, pretty much till the end of the game.

I could go on, but I'd just pick the game apart for the sake of it. Some of the things I've said can be debated, but there's plenty in there.

I'm not gonna go into seven, but there aren't nearly as many obvious ones. Of course that might be because we're allowed to fill in blanks with seven unlike with eight.

[Besimudo]

Look this is the last time; the reason you prefer ff7 to ff8 is because you are dim-witted. I am really tired of the old ff7 vs. ff8. Let just close with


THE FF8 FORUM IS FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE FF8 not for invading FF7 tribes to attack with their high school programme arguments. Its simple university lecturers enjoy Donny Darko and FF8 due to the covert themes, where as Star Wars and FF7, FF9 and FF10 hand you the plot and the conclusions on a plastersine kindergarten platter. Just admit that FF7 was a prototype for FF8, then due to mainstream panic FF9 was dumped down a peg (back to FF7's level)

This is why many people who like FF7 also loved 9 & 10... These FF games were on their level.

The real guys (university level) all agree FF8 is the only FF with any substance.

Well if you do not agree you probably never will. Unless, of course you open your eyes up to literature from Chaucer, Milton, Swift or Shakespeare. Then you will realise why FF8 is the only masterpiece. Failing this at the very least discard your copies of Magic the gathering novels and Stephen King’s latest thriller….

[UltimaSepheroth]

ignorance!

*someone move this to the ffvii forum for the little crying child's sake*

[Besimudo]

Well at least I do not have a fettish for men with long hair!!! you know what I mean... Sephiroth and that wrestler guy damn your closet must be about to burst open.

[Emotion Sickness]

ahhh shutup Besimudo.....

guys if u like the game u like it, if u dont u dont... get OVER it, everyones been there done that... sheesh...

[chadmonkey]

Originally posted by Besimudo
Look this is the last time; the reason you prefer ff7 to ff8 is because you are dim-witted. I am really tired of the old ff7 vs. ff8. Let just close with


THE FF8 FORUM IS FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE FF8 not for invading FF7 tribes to attack with their high school programme arguments. Its simple university lecturers enjoy Donny Darko and FF8 due to the covert themes, where as Star Wars and FF7, FF9 and FF10 hand you the plot and the conclusions on a plastersine kindergarten platter. Just admit that FF7 was a prototype for FF8, then due to mainstream panic FF9 was dumped down a peg (back to FF7's level)

This is why many people who like FF7 also loved 9 & 10... These FF games were on their level.

The real guys (university level) all agree FF8 is the only FF with any substance.

Well if you do not agree you probably never will. Unless, of course you open your eyes up to literature from Chaucer, Milton, Swift or Shakespeare. Then you will realise why FF8 is the only masterpiece. Failing this at the very least discard your copies of Magic the gathering novels and Stephen King’s latest thriller….

Originally posted by Besimudo
Well at least I do not have a fettish for men with long hair!!! you know what I mean... Sephiroth and that wrestler guy damn your closet must be about to burst open.

OK, now you're just attacking people instead of discussing the game. That's called flamming. Shame on you!

[Psychotic]

By the looks of things, you like to think of yourself as an intellectual, yet you degrade yourself to the level of flaming.

This post could be classed as flaming, but meh.

First of all, I don't think anyone who has played the last 4 FF games will agree that FF10 is classed with FF7 and 9. 10 and 8 are extremely similar to each other so for this reason, I doubt you have played FF10.

[quote]THE FF8 FORUM IS FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE FF8 not for invading FF7 tribes to attack with their high school programme arguments[quote]

No, you are wrong there. This forum is for Discussing Final Fantasy VIII. Read the forum main page "Discuss the most captivating and emotional Final Fantasy to date" It doesn't say "Post here if you like Final Fantasy VIII" High School Programme? I have often considered FF8 to be a "High School Programme" And as for tribes? What the!? you think we form little tribes on the FF7 forum? And I don't class myself as a one forum guy, I post on every FF forum.

Just admit that FF7 was a prototype for FF8, then due to mainstream panic FF9 was dumped down a peg (back to FF7's level)

...Just no. What you're basically stating is every single thing Square has done has led up to the creation of Final Fantasy VIII. And that is just narrow-minded.

The real guys (university level) all agree FF8 is the only FF with any substance.

So... only people who are in university are "real guys" ?
My brother goes to Uni. He doesn't like FF8. Oh dear, I proved your theory wrong, so sorry.

Well if you do not agree you probably never will. Unless, of course you open your eyes up to literature from Chaucer, Milton, Swift or Shakespeare. Then you will realise why FF8 is the only masterpiece. Failing this at the very least discard your copies of Magic the gathering novels and Stephen King’s latest thriller….

Name-drop central.... but you think literature is the only way to become an intellectual? And as for Geoffrey Chaucer, his work (or at least the Canterbury Tales) isn't what I'd call stimulating.

And there we go again, another "high school" type diss, this time, you insult magic the gathering. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't like Magic the Gathering and have never owned any of those cards or will, but I don't class people that play it as stupid. That's just petty.
I don't think that people that like FF8 are stupid, but if you flame mindlessly then think yourself to be king intellect afterwards, that is stupid.

[Burtsplurt]

Look this is the last time; the reason you prefer ff7 to ff8 is because you are dim-witted. ~ Bushiwotsit

Yeah, that must be the reason. Why didn't I see that before? Oh, because I'm so dim-witted!


Well at least I do not have a fettish for men with long hair!!! you know what I mean... Sephiroth and that wrestler guy damn your closet must be about to burst open. ~ Bushiwotsit

My, is that a Laguna avatar I see? Quite long hair, no?


The real guys (university level) all agree FF8 is the only FF with any substance. ~ Bushiwotsit

I'm "real", yet I don't like FFVIII. I complete my BSc in Marine Biology in a couple of months. Maybe I only liked FFVII because they went underwater and there was a dolphin in it. Yeah, that must be it. Oh, and the fact that I'm dim-witted.

[PhoenixAsh]

Okay given that Besimudo obviously hasn't played seven or ten given his lack of knowledge on them, lets assume he's trying to draw your reactions and succeeded. So can we get back on topic, and hope a reading mod will ban him.

[chadmonkey]

Originally posted by Phoenix 17
So can we get back on topic, and hope a reading mod will ban him.

Amen.

[Besimudo]

This was too contraversial...

[chadmonkey]

Originally posted by Besimudo
This was too contraversial...

It only turns controversial when you attack people and flame rather than discuss the topic.

[Phil]

(SPOILER AS FOLLOWS ABOUT CLOUD. DO NOT READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW!)ultima sephroth (trevor) why do you always have to be so degrading? final fantasy 8 is actually a good game. now i know you are obsessed with ff7,and that is ok. i mean, you talk about squall being weird, but cloud strife kept a lie going about him being a soldier all the time. in reality he was a spiky headed blonde boy who couldnt make it into the military. ff8 is a good game. kist talk to chappy about it. also, if you hate it so much, than why are you so far in it. what disc two? yeah that is right. and by the way....it isnt nice to insult people by calling them crybabys even if they dont agree with you. by the way.....er......when is the latin book thingy due next week?

[UltimaSepheroth]

you did not mark the spoiler about cloud. (i would suggest you edit it)

and we do not have a date set for the "latin book thingy".