I GOT FFX-2!!

[JEdi]

Originally posted by Bahmant zero
thats a good one, i never thought of that.

I know, aren't I clever? But it doesn't really apply....

Originally posted by Bahamut zero
anger with putting in rock is that the normal music score is more universial, not everyone likes rock and in a few years its going to be as loved as pop anyway, i feel that that type of music dosnt fit into final fantasy altough it did fit the situation in zanakend (bad sp) no matter how much i hate it.

Yeah, alright. Fine. I'll give you that. The music in FFX is pretty troutty. Only one good track WAS the rock at the beginning. I think perhaps Square are trying to make FF games more for the mainstream. Anyone noticed and FFX was really the most successful and liked since FFVII?

Originally posted by Bahamut zero
and as for graphics, ff10 never had the best grahics and its ignorant for people to think so there are many games on all consoles that are older that have on-par grahics or even better, but grahics are no place near important as the story because that is what the hole game is, a story and i feel that ff10 lacked a decent story, ff7 had a wonderful story and dispite its age i still play it, im actually playing it now but meh....

Yes, yes, alright I've acknowledged FFX's graphics as not being the best, but like I said they are by far the most well-presented. It's like watching a bloody movie, and it's interuppted by the fact you actually have to start walking around and playing.

And, if you have to ask me FFVII is the only FF I've played (out of VI~X) that actually had a decent story. Still confused over some parts today. Still replay it today. Awesome game.

Originally posted by Bahamut zero
anyway back to ff, last time a looked final fantasy was never about zooming in on yunas boobs or following lulus breats around but i might be wrong there, who knows the camera could of been following terra's breats in ff6 if it could zoom in, so i might be wrong there.

And ahh...just what is wrong with that? Last time I checked the things that really mattered like the dialogue and story weren't dirty language and constant shaggin throughout the game. Dude, that kinda stuff is everywhere. That's just part of FFX's unique style, and especially part of FFX-2's. Oh and what on earth is the harm in a little rendered breast, eh? Afraid parents might see it and ground you for playing dirty games on ur PS2?

Originally posted by Bahamut zero
this thread itself is a big pointer in someone not liking ff10-2 and hes actually played it, oh darn im off track again, where was i......

You, my friend, are just one man. Just because you say it blows doesn't mean it does. I don't mind if your just sharing your opinion. We are allowed to not like it. An FF forum is not the place to talk about how crap the latest game is

Originally posted by Bahamut zero
give me the card game anyday (i loved that game)

Agreed, but I think the Blitzball kinda takes the card game's place...

Originally posted by Bahamut zero
what little sidequests they where didnt reval much about the characters, the world or anything it was just pointless fighting dark aeons, battle is an important part of rpg's but it isnt everything.

Uhh...Sidequests don't always have to reveal more about characters. Why, I can only think of two in the FFs I've played that do. The Eidolon Wall in FFIX and Lucrecia's place in FFVII.

Originally quoted by Bahamut zero
the characters are not individual in the battle skills scince they can all do the same and learn the same.

Um, FFIX is the only FF I can think of that WASN'T like that. FFVII, FFVI, and FFVIII were all like that to an extent, FFVII and VIII especially.

Originally posted by Bahamut zerothere is very little i like about this game and its sequal and i belive theres no need for one the only two things i liked was the new summon system and talking in battle. (we have nearly been aguing for 3 pages woo! we should celebrate

Yes, the new summon system and talking were good. Also, the extra battle options were good as well.

And yes, we should celebrate. Phew, that was hard.

[TakaX2]

oh yes the characters are lame, underdevolped have little real personality and have poor dialoge, and motiveations.

when i play a hero, i want that not some snival whinny brat

The characters are not lame or underdeveloped. They act according to their personalities, like all characters in all games. Tidus, isn't just some whinny brat, although he seems that way. But think about his situation. He just watched his home getting blown up by a monster. He came from a world with (probably) better technology than today and got dropped into the stone ages. They have no technology, they have a huge creature destroying their homes and families, and monsters (fiends) attacking them at every turn. The only people that want technology to return where it was are ostracized and persecuted. At first, he's no hero. He doesn't really care about their problems, he just wants to get out of the nightmare and go home. Once he realizes he can't, he gets entangled in Yuna's struggle as a summoner. He can't just walk away because this isn't his world. Everything is new to him, with the monster, Sin and this strange, over-the-top religion, Yevon. He can't leave because then he would be alone and wouldn't know anyone. So he becomes the reluctant guardian until he feels that he must defeat Sin and steps into the hero role. His personality is perfectly reasonable as are all personalities. If he showed up and automatically became the star-studded hero, no one would like the game. It's common, or may I dare neccessary, for this to occur in games with good plot. For instance, Squall in FFVIII, he is very anti-social because he lost everything he ever cared about and doesn't want it to happen again. But as the game developes, he steps into the hero role and opens up to those he cares about.

The motivations of the characters may be simple (Yuna: defeat the horror of Spira, Rikku: protect and help her cousin, Auron: fufill a promise) but formidable. They come form a simple world, and at first glance, their motivations and words may seem simple too. But if you look into the characters, you see more than at first glance and find they are in fact very complex characters.

the mini-games are not fun. full stop. its indurance and thats not fun, whocan say they loved the cloister of trails or trying to dodge 200 lightning bolts?

The mini-games, come in a variety, like in other FF games. Some people like certain mini-games, some don't like certain mini-games. Sure the 200 lightning bolts and the 0:0 time in the chocobo race annoyed the hell out of me, but look at the better side for once. JEdi brought up blitzball. Think of sports games like NCAA football. All you do is manage a team and play games, which is precisely what they do in blitzball. So when you think about it, FFX is really like 2 games in one. Good deal. I'm pretty sure that the majoity of people couldn't say that found the Cloister of Trials fun, but it's a neccessary part. A lot of games make the mistake of just plot and fighting. But part of what makes a game complete and well-rounded is adding things that make you think and test your mind.

one word......seymore *shudder*

I agree with you about Seymour. After playing the game, I think Seymour was a complete freak (no offense to his fans). But if you think for a second, apart from Sin, he's the villain, the enemy. You're SUPPOSED to hate him. I think Square did an awesome job with this. In FFVIII, I didn't like Ultimecia, but in FFX, LOATHED Seymour. Hats off to Square, although his voice and arm-waving that were supposed to come off as cocky made him seem gay.

[ZeZipster]

Am I the only one who thinks threads like these should just die out when every one says their own opinion? Seriously, once every thing is said you need just forget it. Every one is entitled to speak what they think of the game (unless they're stupid enough to flame people while at it). So what if some one doesn't like the game? So what if they may have actually gotten some one else to lose interest in it. If some one sees some one say some thing bad about the game and then decides not to play it's because they didn't realize that bad some thing about the game. Let the light shine in their eyes and go gawk at your previews.

This entire conversation can be summed up in:

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[TakaX2]

If forums just died out when people spoke their opinions, then there wouldn't be forums. Forums are for discussion and debate. People discuss things in forums. When people don't agree, they debate the topic and present defenses for both sides of the debate. Thus the meaning of forums. Sure it's nice when everyone agrees and talks about the things they like, but sometimes you better understand and appreciate a game after defending a game and sometimes better understand yourself.

If you outlawed debating in forums, then you would erase the main points of forums.

[JEdi]

Whoa, stop. Let's go back to arguing about FFX-2, and not arguing about our rights to argue. (and besides, man, we're winning, can't stop now )

[ZeZipster]

Originally posted by TakaX2
If forums just died out when people spoke their opinions, then there wouldn't be forums. Forums are for discussion and debate. People discuss things in forums. When people don't agree, they debate the topic and present defenses for both sides of the debate. Thus the meaning of forums. Sure it's nice when everyone agrees and talks about the things they like, but sometimes you better understand and appreciate a game after defending a game and sometimes better understand yourself.

If you outlawed debating in forums, then you would erase the main points of forums.

I guess that makes since. It just seems like people are repeating themselves.

Meh... I've said all logical and illogical thoughts that pass through my head.


Edit: Ah what the hey let's see what responses I can get.

I whole-heartedly believe this game was meant to attract brain-dead perverts. Don't tell me FFX-2 isn't made to attract perverts. All males happen to leave your party, Yuna's cloths disappear (No it's not because of her pilgrimage, I won't believe that, think about all the times people changed cloths in past FFs, very rarily), and the fact that three girls go around changing cloths every battle. People can argue that Yuna changed cloths because of her pilgrimage untill they are blue in the face it DOES NOT MAKE SINCE. Yuna's only love disappears in to oblivion so Yuna decides to show some skin? No. Don't think so. Why don't you people go talk to some widows.

Square is SELLING OUT. This game is crap, don't bother with it. RPGs should not have:

Missions
Time based battle systems
A bazillion endings
Lara Croft based characters

So why does it? Because it's trendy? Because it's easy cash? Because Square wants to be different?

[Bahmant zero]

i dont see this as a flame war or agument but a constuctive debate, and JEdi is doing a great job presenting his view on why ff10 is good, and thats something i havnt seen in a long time usually its "ff10 rocks so sod off" but meh,
anyway i also agree with him about forums are for debating but zezipster has some great points which i have been saying for a while that ff10-2 is selling out and betraying fans, it looks like ff10-2 has mutliple personalities, it dosnt know what genre it is, it sure isnt RPG, but is it sport or action or platform (YES) there are some stupid features that RPG's shoudnt have that betray its genre, i know ff10-2 was only a quick project to do while ff11 is being relased so its not intended to be the best ever or revoltionise platform games (cos thats what it is)
another bad point is that yuna looks like a memeber of the cheeky girl singers, yuna even "sings" in dated fad jpop. most scenes they put in are crappy in the original such as the lucca (its not really a town) laughing scene,
there was no need or use for shops or inns and there was no real towns and the hole game was fighting, no real town looking bits sure fightings important but it shouldt take over the hole game. Its such cheep sell out i would be embrassed to be seen buying it so im unsure for the first time in ff history is i will buy it or not.

some pervs claim that yuna's clothes are a discuse, but thats a crappy lame excuse, shes a famous daughter of the man who brought the previous calm and she brought the enternal calm so and everyone knows who she is so if she thinks that hotpants a bikini bra can disguse her shes a thick whore, while if she goes to a place they dont know her there would be no need for her to dress as a whore so its just a cheep exuse for brain dead pervs who care more about yunas breats more then the story to buy the game. its just a coincodence that at the same time all males are booted and the party is reduced to 3 lesbien whores. i hope yuna is aressted for indecinent exposure, that'll teach her. anyone else finds yuna completely changing personallitys and beilfs in 2 years? its a compltetly diffrent person now which is realsticly impossable unless she had mental problems.

[TakaX2]

I believe it IS realistically possible for Yuna to change that much. Two years is a pretty long time. As for her clothes, she's not the one who thinks a change in outfit is gonna fool people. If you watch FFX: Another Story, it's Rikku's idea for the new clothes.

No offense to you Bahmant zero, but it seems to me you don't really understand what love is. She goes on a pilgrimage to die to defeat Sin. She's wanted to all her life, not thinking about anything else, not even guys. Then Tidus comes into the picture. Her life gets thrown upsidedown. She feels it's her duty to defeat Sin but she falls in love with Tidus. She's torn. She decides that she couldn't run away and deal with the guilt so she continues. Then this new option appears where she can defeat Sin and live. Only Tidus doesn't tell her it'll kill him. When they do defeat Sin, for good, Yuna doesn't really know what to do with her life, all she knows is that she loves Tidus and wants to be with him. Then he dissappears right before her eyes. She's alone. Sure her friends are there, but she feels empty inside after losing the one she loves. Then all these religous groups want her to join (that she wants no part of) and all these sons of leaders are proposing (none of which she would ever accept because she loves Tidus). When Tidus first came, she was a bit more curious then actually having a crush yet. He was from a place she would love to be and he was so different from her. She always tried to please everyone because, hell, she was gonna die for them wasn't she? But Tidus showed her to act for herself and do what she wanted not everyone else. She refused all offers and told them to go away and stay away. Then she finds there is some hope her love is still alive. So she goes out to find him. If you remember her speech at the end she tells people not to forget those they've lost. She follows her own words. She keeps Tidus in her heart through the memories they share. She remembers how he taught her to act for herself and thus the reasob for her change in personality.

No offense, but indecent exposure? Yeah right! Yuna wears short shorts, ooh! The shirt is cool, don't dis the shirt. If anyone should get arrested for indecent exposure, it's Rikku (no offense to her fans, but what would possess you to want to wear a bikini all day? I personally think bikini's are dumb. If your gonna wear a bikini, why don't you just run around in your underwear too?).

If you don't want to buy it, that's cool. I got no problem with it. It's your loss.

[JEdi]

Well, that's it. Outta ammo. Okeday, this is where I withdraw while I'm ahead. We vill re-assume this argument next year when I actually have the game I feel that that arguing about it anymore would be rather stupid, and right now I am strained to come up with anything. I haven't even clocked FFX! It's been fun, Bahamut. Look foward to continuing this with more ammunition later on...

[TakaX2]

Ok, JEdi, we'll see you when FFX-2 comes out. Feel free to come back anytime that you feel you wanna debate some more. Just remember, if you speak from the heart and say what you truly believe, you'll always find something to say.

[Greeneyes]

Here's another reason for the sequel:

(I got this from http://www.finalfantasyx.nl/english/ffX1-2.htm )

The ending of Final Fantasy X: International (only released in Japan) marked a opening for a sequel. Now, Square officially announced Final Fantasy X-2. This is something never done before in the franchise's or in the company's history before.Hironobu Sakaguchi thought up of this idea, because he needs more time to develop Final Fantasy XII.

As for Yuna, I believe it would have been ok if, right from the start a female character had been wearing revealing clothes (eg Rikku in her shorts in FFX) but it somehow seems 'perverted' if you take a decent looking summoner & transform her into tomb raider. No doubt, some people will give valid reasons why she needs a change of clothes ( eg, she's no longer a summoner, she needs to be in disguise, she needs guns....etc). But like I said, 2 years or 10 years, or however many years after the defeat of Sin, the complete transformation from a religious figure to something else just seems too 'look-at-me'.

So it's not the clothes per se but the transformation.

[JEdi]

Originally posted by Greeneyes
(I got this from http://www.finalfantasyx.nl/english/ffX1-2.htm )

I followed the link and that site told me the biggest load of BS ever.
It states the release for Europe is 2004, it hasn't even been announced.
It also says that you play as someone called "Nyuji". You don't, unless Nyuji turns out to be a chocobo or something else in a minigame.

[Greeneyes]

Hironobu Sakaguchi thought up of this idea, because he needs more time to develop Final Fantasy XII.

Actually, not just that website but several others that I frequent say the same thing. That FFX2 is a 'stop-gap' to give fans something to chew on before the main course.

Also, despite reported sales of millions in Japan, the overall postgame reviews of FFX-2 in Japanese websites haven't been too favorable. People miss Auron, Wakka and the old Yuna, it seems.

[JEdi]

Originally posted by Greeneyes
Also, despite reported sales of millions in Japan, the overall postgame reviews of FFX-2 in Japanese websites haven't been too favorable. People miss Auron, Wakka and the old Yuna, it seems.

Then all they would have to do is take out the FFX-2 disc and insert FFX into their PS2s. VOILA! Auron, old Yuna and Wakka all back! HOWZAT?!

[Greeneyes]

Then all they would have to do is take out the FFX-2 disc and insert FFX into their PS2s. VOILA! Auron, old Yuna and Wakka all back! HOWZAT?!

LOL! Much easier to do that then for the designers to incorporate those 3 into the new game, I suppose.

Sorta like, if you want a vegetarian hamburger, then order a standard hamburger, just take out the meat & eat just the bread

I kinda miss Wakka's big, luvable lug character, though.:rolleyes2