How bad was FF:TSW?

[Big D]

Originally posted by Garland
It's a good movie, but a bad Final Fantasy. We wanted to see moogles, chocobos, a lead with a sword big enough to evoke Freudian comments, and a little bit of magic. We got none of that.

Truer words have seldom been spoken.

[Prodigy]

Speak for yourself, I wanted to see a beautifully rendered woman with tight fitting costume

[edczxcvbnm]

Originally posted by Big D
Virtually no 'fantasy' in it.

Do you even know what fantasy means? Do you even know what fantasy involves? Please explain before I shut you down...fool!

[Big D]

Of course I know what fantasy is... it's just that TSW was dominated by science fiction rather than fantasy. Sure, FFVII and VIII were set in technologically advanced worlds, but they still contained more genuine fantasy. Even TSW's 'spirit energy' was treated as a scientific concept, kinda like Hojo did with Mako, whereas that particular force had plenty of 'supernatural' properties. TSW, on the other hand, dealt purely in science (fiction) concepts.

All I meant was that 'Final Fantasy' was something of a misnomer since fantasy was a subservient genre to science fiction in TSW.

[edczxcvbnm]

Umm...just so you know Sci-Fi is a form of Fantasy. It breaks down like this dude


Fantasy:

Medevil...wizardy and stuff
Sci-Fi...and futuritic stuff

FF: The crap within was very much so in the relm of Fantasy. You just don't know what the word means.

fan·ta·sy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fnt-s, -z)
n. pl. fan·ta·sies
The creative imagination; unrestrained fancy. See Synonyms at imagination.
Something, such as an invention, that is a creation of the fancy.
A capricious or fantastic idea; a conceit.

Fiction characterized by highly fanciful or supernatural elements.
An example of such fiction.
An imagined event or sequence of mental images, such as a daydream, usually fulfilling a wish or psychological need.
An unrealistic or improbable supposition.
Music. See fantasia.
A coin issued especially by a questionable authority and not intended for use as currency.
Obsolete. A hallucination.

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[Big D]

So unlike you to quibble over pedantic lexical details.

Shall I make my point just that little bit more clear?

TSW posessed very few of the supernatural-based fantastic elements commonly associated with the FF games. It DID posess strong sci-fi based fantasy elements, but I prefer to distinguish science fiction and fantasy from one another for purposes of comparison.

I think of Star Wars, for example, as both science-fiction and fantasy, due to the blend of elements.

[Prodigy]

I agree with Big D to an extent.

Although Sci-Fi and Fantasy are similar and there's a certain amount of crossover that doesn't mean people have quite clear ideas of what each represents.

E.g. Star Trek = pure Sci-Fi (awful Sci-Fi I might add).
Never-ending story (I can't think of any examples at the moment!) is fantasy. Very different.

[edczxcvbnm]

I thought we just got done going over that Science Fiction is Fantasy.

Star Trek is a Fantasy.
Never Ending Story is a Fantasy.
Blue Flavored Mountain Dew is a Fantasy.

Pretty much if it does not exist, then it is a fantasy. You can't distinguish Sci-fi from Fantasy because Sci-fi IS Fantasy. It is like saying.

That is not an emoticon. It is a smily.

Well...a smily is a type of Emoticon.

[Sephex]

Yeah, th emovie was pretty poorly done. The only reason I put it was almost good because that was the closest thing to mu opinion.

Even if it was like the games, and had the same plot and everything, it still would have sucked.

I am so tired right now.

[Prodigy]

Sci-Fi is not Fantasy. Not in my eyes anyway. I would imagine that most people who claim to like or have watched/read/listened to either genre would have some kind of distinction between the two in their minds.

In that case it doesn't matter what you think - there IS a distinction if people choose for there to be one.

[Big Ogre Umaro]

In fiction, there IS a distinction between Sci-fi and Fantasy. There just is. They may be under the same umbrella of "Stories that are not entirely based on things that could happen in real life," but they are different if you want to be specific about it, and not THAT specific, either. Like, there are still many more sub-genres of Sci-Fi, like Hard...and that's the only one that I can think of right now because y'know.

That being said, the movie would have been eighty thousand times better if it wrere titled simply "The Spirits Within" and billed as a Sci-Fi flick from Square. Even if on EVERY commercial, it was advertised "From the Makers of Final Fantasy," or titled like "Sakaguchi's The Spirits Within" or something. heh. Well y'know okay bye

[Silent Warrior]

Hm, yes, it would've been nicer if it didn't have that 'Final Fantasy' stuck at the other end. As for how bad it was, all I can say for sure is that I liked it better than Matrix.

[Leigha]

LOVED IT!!!! great movie. I think a big reason why a lot of people didn't like it much is because it's hard to understand. I really didn't get it until my 3rd or 4th time watching it! the ending is soooooo sweet! it's really sad though ... the one part... where she has the last dream, where she finds the final spirit... she's pregnant!!!! you have to watch... but remember the part in the movie, where umm... she and the guy get friendly up in space.... well... when they're down in the pit, and she has the last dream where she's getting attacked by the phantom... one of it's tentacle/feeler thingies touches her abdomen, and then it turns blue, the only way that can happen is with a new life... and it wasn't just akki, because she was the first spirit, right??? well...... that's what i got out of it not sure if i needed to do that or not, but if some of you haven't watched the movie yet..... then.... well.... :S

[Blathnaid]

I agree that it would have done better if not for the words "Final Fantasy" in the title. I think that's why most people didn't like the movie. It was labled with the name "Final Fantasy", so people had high expectations on what it was supposed to be. Only to have it not be what they wanted. If "Final Fantasy" had been left off, then it might have done better than it did. I just did so poorly because some many fans of the FF series were let down.

As just a Sci-Fi movie, it was good. But as a Final Fantasy, it was pure and utter crap.

I have come to hate this movie with a passion.

[Blackmage]

Originally posted by Silent Warrior
As for how bad it was, all I can say for sure is that I liked it better than Matrix.

*blinks* *blinks again*

You LIE!!!!!