is this the worst final fantasy game?

[aeris2001x2]

i,m on my second play through and mastering is coming along well, but all rational2 me says this game sucks! yet its fun!

of all the numbered ffs, it really is bad. ok its better then ff tactics, mystic quest and possibly ff crystal cronicles which i,m yet 2 play.

i guess i just expected more. the j-pop is nice but its definitly the worst ff soundtrack.some vey nice pieces still though,like gagazet and the intro.

the story is utter s***. most of the new characters are very forgettable except shinra. the dress sphere system sucks, as does the garment grids.

this new atb system is chaos. in trying to address the "slowness" and "predictability" of ffx they have gone way over the top. i mastered it after a while, but it does take getting used too.

how many awful sub games can be cramed into one game? blitzball 2 the revenage, sphere break,thunder plains bolt fixing, VERY disapointing chochobo ranch, calm lands answer to "gold saucer" falls flat. even that gunners gauntlet is horrible. and i spent ages getting 2800 points on it. it was so dull.

anyway rant over. what r you ppls thoughts? is it the worse of the roman numeral ffs? or does ff8 still hold that crown?(though it still rules.

this is the first of the proper ffs not 2 be genius or get in my top games chart. that says it all 4 me. dont get me wrong,its a great game. but by ff standards its terrible...

[whoamitidus]

this is one of the best ff yah i agee some off the mini games are crap any way ffVIII is'nt the best long live
ffX-2

[aeris2001x2]

after this disapointment i think i will return to the joys of ff6 and ff7.

[Kupo]

Originally posted by aeris2001x2
the story is utter s***. most of the new characters are very forgettable except shinra. the dress sphere system sucks, as does the garment grids.

this new atb system is chaos. in trying to address the "slowness" and "predictability" of ffx they have gone way over the top. i mastered it after a while, but it does take getting used too.

this is the first of the proper ffs not 2 be genius or get in my top games chart. that says it all 4 me. dont get me wrong,its a great game. but by ff standards its terrible...

Aw, this made me sad. I was hoping not to see many more of the "this game is an uber-disappointment" threads.
Anyway, there are threads on almost every single topic which you've mentioned, and I'm sure that you can find many people to agree or debate with on the good and bad points of the game....

And... to quote FFVIII:
"Everybody! Peace! And love!":moggie:

[SeeDRankLou]

This makes me sad too.

First of all, the story of this game is wonderful for several reasons. One, because they actually found a way to make the plot of a sequel good, which is hard to do. Second, because the story can go many different ways, which is a big change for FF games, and I like it. I will admit that it does take a while for the story to pick up, but once you get to Chapter 3 it's awesome. The characters are very good in this game, especially Paine. The humor of this game made almost all of these characters very memorable, espeically Brother. The dress sphere system is awesome. They took the cool concept of jobs, made it cooler, and then made it so that you can change dress spheres mid-battle, similar to how you could change weapons and characters mid-battle in FFX. Brilliant.

The new ATB system is chaos. And I love it. It's the best one they've ever done, hands down.

How aweful are the mini-games in this game? About as aweful as they've ever been. I liked some of them, I didn't like others, I wanted to through my PS2 out the window while playing others. No different than any other FF.

This game is genious for one simple reason. They made a good sequel, despite the bad hype that the game had before it was even released. A lot of sequels in the world don't live up to the first. This one so does. This is one of the best FFs I've ever played.

And please leave the knocking of FFVIII to the FFVIII thread.

[Kupo]

Originally posted by SeedRankLou
The new ATB system is chaos. And I love it. It's the best one they've ever done, hands down.

How aweful are the mini-games in this game? About as aweful as they've ever been. I liked some of them, I didn't like others, I wanted to through my PS2 out the window while playing others. No different than any other FF.

This game is genious for one simple reason. They made a good sequel, despite the bad hype that the game had before it was even released. A lot of sequels in the world don't live up to the first. This one so does. This

True dat, my friend. I actually was completely lost in the chaos of the first few FFX-2 battles, but I grew to really appreciate them. When I went back to replay FFX I actually found the battles way too easy, as every action could be planned out. FFX-2 adds a more realistic feel to the battles- you have to think fast like in a real battle, and plan a few turns ahead, and it can get your adrenaline going and really involve you in the game.

And yeah, the mini-games are not the greatest. But everyone has different preferences. Wihtout straying too far from FFX-2 but to use an example from say... FFVIII: I was the queen of triple triad and loved it to death; but there are seemingly millions out there who don't like it at all. It just comes down to personal preference.

It's hard to name any sequel- not just one to a game, mind you- that lives up to its predecessors. I also feel that this game has done a lot to disprove all the negative publicity surrounding it (and there was a lot). I've even found old posts of mine where I am rather dubious about a sequel. But I think Square-Enix did an excellent job making this game. They dared to stray from the (by now) somewhat routine, darker storyline of the teenagers/young adults who go on a quest to save the world and instead they made a game filled with warmth and humour, based on a heroine who goes on a quest motivated by her own desires, not the world around her. While it did take a little getting used to, in the end it was for me a wonderful change, and this does rank as one of my favorite FF's... even more so because I personally came to it with not the highest of expectations.

:moggie:

[DMKA]

Omg, this made me cry...how could you NOT love the new best RPG battle system ever???? Its great and unlike FFX we actually have CHALLENGE and A NEED TO THINK and ACT QUICKLY or die!!! God I love it! I can't get enough of it.

All FFs I recall had some pretty annoying crap for minigames, so thats not an issue (though I must say I do enjoy gunners gauntlet). They did, however, screw it up for the people who actually enjoyed Blitzball in FFX...I like it MUCH better this way though cause its over nice and fast!

And in closing, since SeedRankLou pretty much said it all already, they did a damn good job with it. Its the most original RPG I've ever played...its so different and thats just awesome, and thats where all the gripes about it come from...because its not exactly like all the other RPGs since the 16-bit era. ME ARE LOVING FFX-2!

[aeris2001x2]

wow i,m really surprised this gme is liked. i expected it 2 be hated more then ff2jap and ff8. and yes many of this was done before, but i found no general ffx2 analysis topic so...

i have done the story once. okthere are a few things i will do during my replay (currently at start of chapter 3 on replay) but all i see so far...

killer beville weapon that threatens all sphrere, which turns out 2 be as we weak as a bite bug

lots of mystery over the crimson squad survivors...wow huge revelation...not

the groups political fighting was nice but limited

my end was crap, but i only had 60% so i gether that will change later.

i guess the battle system and new atb systerm is down to taste. i just feel this new atb is streching turn based combat to the realms of real time.

i actually found this less strategic then ffx. i win most of the fights by pressing attack and button bashing.

but yeah, maybe i just hate it when it enters charlies angel mode.

yes every ff (except ff7) had a few, but this has NO sub games i enjoyed.

but yeah i,m sorry but i just HAD to do an ffx2 rant topic 2 work it out my systerm. personally give me junction over dresssphere anyday but each to there own. i,m still gonna master this game.

[whoamitidus]

yeah vegnagun was easy so was suyin he did about four hits which were [list=1][*]terror of zankerden which hit yuna (ko'ed her)[*]hit and run [*]normal hit on paine[*]the one which is like energey rain [/list=1] but u can always rivie people

[SeeDRankLou]

Originally posted by aeris2001x2
wow i,m really surprised this gme is liked. i expected it 2 be hated more then ff2jap and ff8. and yes many of this was done before, but i found no general ffx2 analysis topic so...

Why, because you don't like it? (Sorry, that was rash)
Don't assume that just because you don't like something or that the game had bad hype before it was even released means that no one will like it. The numbers in this case just don't lie. In Japan, this game sold 1.96 million copies in one day. In less than two months it sold a million copies in the US. And FFX-2:I+LM I think has already sold 1 million+ copies. People like it, sorry that you don't.

Originally posted by aeris2001x2
i guess the battle system and new atb systerm is down to taste. i just feel this new atb is streching turn based combat to the realms of real time.

As it should be. The turn based system in FFX was stupid. The enemy is not going to wait for you to make a move, and you are not going to wait for the enemy to make a move. Why this is better than other atb games is the multiple attacks at once. If you are fighting several enemies, they aren't going to take turn attacking, if they all are going to attack then they are. Same with the characters. It's more real, more interactive, and that's why I like it.

You only had 60% of the game, well you missed a bunch of stuff. And you "HAD" to make a rant??? Well sorry that so far you're the only one that feels the way you do. Junction was a good system actually, I don't know which one I would pick, because I like them both. *ponders*

[Kupo]

Originally posted by SeedRankLou
As it should be. The turn based system in FFX was stupid. The enemy is not going to wait for you to make a move, and you are not going to wait for the enemy to make a move. Why this is better than other atb games is the multiple attacks at once. If you are fighting several enemies, they aren't going to take turn attacking, if they all are going to attack then they are. Same with the characters. It's more real, more interactive, and that's why I like it.

*snicker* Yeah... I remember that when I was fighting Omega Weapon in FFX, and then the phone rang and then I made my self a sammich, completely sure that Omega would just chill there until I was done. The idea of chaining attacks together was a good one- and it stays fair. Not only can you chain yours, but the fiends can chain theirs. It was something new, which is one of the best things about each FF. There's a common thread deep down there, but it's nice to see how each game will distinguish itself from the rest.

If FFX-2 remained exactly the same as FFX, I could see a lot of complaining anyway. Either from the anti-FFX people (This game sucks! And why would they make a sequel to this sucky game, rant rant rant!) or from people who, while they enjoyed FFX, would complain that EVERYTHING was the same as in it's predecessor (same game engine, graphics, music, personalities, and tone). I probably would have complained about it. It would seem like it was just an attempt to cash in on FFX's popularity. However, the dramatic changes in FFX-2 show that the people behind the game were really trying to accomplish something new, and I think that they succeeded. This game works. And if you take the time to do the entire game while not comparing it to the world of FFX, it can be very enjoyable.

Hopefully, when you get the game completed to a high percentage, your opinion of the storyline will change. 60% is pretty much the bare bones of the game, but I think all the optional (non-hotspot) missions are what really flush out the characters. For example, Paine. (who wasn't listed a a memorable character! *sniffle*) Yeah, I suppose you don't learn much about her if you don't complete the side missions, but when you get them done, I think you get a wonderfully complete, memorable, and emotional picture of who she is.

It's hard to make a general analysis or make a rant that will stand up to we rabid fans (go us!) on only 60%.

:moggie:

[aeris2001x2]

Originally posted by SeedRankLou
Why, because you don't like it? (Sorry, that was rash)
Don't assume that just because you don't like something or that the game had bad hype before it was even released means that no one will like it. The numbers in this case just don't lie. In Japan, this game sold 1.96 million copies in one day. In less than two months it sold a million copies in the US. And FFX-2:I+LM I think has already sold 1 million+ copies. People like it, sorry that you don't.

i never said i didnt like it. and in britain all i got was GOOD press. i like it...i just expected more. and no, i didnt expect no one else 2 like it because i didnt. i,m not that blind.

i expected the ff hardcore to use it as further proof of the so called ff downfall since ff6/7. i expected the mainstream to destroy it for charlie angel scenes etc

the ctb isnt stuiped, nor the previous atb systerm.

a) i have always considered it metaphorical anyway

b) if i want a real time game or pseudo rpg game i,ll go 2 grandia, devil may cry, metal gear solid, legacy of kain etc when u destroy the turn based combat systerm u cease 2 be an ff in my eyes. imho i think zelda is where the realtime rpg should stay.

yes, there r LOTS of good sequels, but few better then the original. compared to ffx i thought this fell flat.

i like things to stay the same ifit aint broke. whether ff was broke before this is open to opinion. anyway i would have welcomed change if i thought it was improvement. anyway, when i get home i,ll be ready 2 start the save the calm land ppl mission and kill yojimbo and i,m excited. i still enjoy this game lots. and as i said before, it is opinion. that was what i was interested in.

[Kupo]

Originally posted by aeris2001x2
b) if i want a real time game or pseudo rpg game i,ll go 2 grandia, devil may cry, metal gear solid, legacy of kain etc when u destroy the turn based combat systerm u cease 2 be an ff in my eyes. imho i think zelda is where the realtime rpg should stay.

yes, there r LOTS of good sequels, but few better then the original. compared to ffx i thought this fell flat.

If I'm not horribly mistaken (if I am, please someone correct me) the battles in FFIX were active time battles? Or was it FFVII? (I need to replay those soon, before I forget everything) In any case, I am pretty sure that all the FF's were not strictly turn-based battles. If anything, FFX-2 was a return to the old-school battles... hence "fixing what is broken."

:moggie:

[bkkguy]

I agree that FFX2 is quite different than the other FF series. It is definately not the best game but I don't know about calling the worst game. Like FFT before it, this game is very innovative in many ways.

[SeeDRankLou]

Originally posted by aeris2001x2
i never said i didnt like it. and in britain all i got was GOOD press. i like it...i just expected more. and no, i didnt expect no one else 2 like it because i didnt. i,m not that blind.

Really? Then you might want to better word what you say because you are coming across rather anti-FFX-2. And the game got quite a bit of bad press in the US.

i expected the ff hardcore to use it as further proof of the so called ff downfall since ff6/7. i expected the mainstream to destroy it for charlie angel scenes etc

First of all....what's wrong with the "Charlie's Angel's" scenes? Second....trust me when I say that I am a part of this "ff hardcore" as you put it. And ff has not in the slightest gone on this downfall of which you speak. The games continue to be at least as good if not better than their predecessor ever since FF1. FFVIII was better than FFVII in many many ways. FFIX was sub-par with FFVIII. FFX blew FFVIII out of the water. And FFX-2 improved in many many ways on FFX. And I am being very objective when I say these things. Obviously the graphics have gotten better, but that comes with hardware progression. Square's ability in story telling, character design, character interaction, environments, plot twists, and so much more have continued to improve from each game to the next. Whether you like or dislike these certain aspects is irrelevant to the thought and skill put behind them, which is what is relevant. Square can't please everyone. The character interaction in FFX-2 is the best it has ever been. Square took a pre-existingly good environment and made it better. They took a story that was more or less over and continued it flawlessly. The plot twist in this game was breathtaking to say the least (Bahamut). Opinion of something and skill put into something are two different thing. For example, I say that FFX blew FFVIII out of the water, but I still like FFVIII better. Another, I didn't like the CTB in FFX. Doesn't mean it was bad, there was a lot of craft put into that whole system and it worked very well, I just didn't like it. Square's skills have only improved over the years.

b) if i want a real time game or pseudo rpg game i,ll go 2 grandia, devil may cry, metal gear solid, legacy of kain etc when u destroy the turn based combat systerm u cease 2 be an ff in my eyes. imho i think zelda is where the realtime rpg should stay.

Well that blows your credulity. FF's have always had ATBs, just weak ones (and when I say always I mean at least the 6 before FFX, my memory is fuzzy on the ones earlier than that). FFX is the only one to have the CTB. It was good for a game, but I'm glad they undid that.

yes, there r LOTS of good sequels, but few better then the original. compared to ffx i thought this fell flat.

That's your opinion, which you are entitled to. But from what you say, it sounds to me that you complain about this game because you like other games, which is not fair. That's like saying you are unhappy with Sausage Pizza because you like Pepperoni Pizza. It's not that the Sausage Pizza tastes bad, it's that the Pepperoni Pizza tastes good, sticking with what you like and not accepting new things. You can like both you know, it's not going to make you any less of a person. You don't like things in FFX-2 because they are different than in FFX or in other games. You shouldn't compare FFs, they are all different and should stay out of the realm of comparison. If I were to compare any game FFVIII they would mostly all fall short. However, they are all good games, and none of them fall short, because they are in the context of themselves, not the series. And if you don't like Square changing things well you better get used to it, because they always have and they always will, that's what they do. That's one thing that makes this line of games exciting, it's always something new.