R=U (not about bringing it back)

[PhoenixAsh]

Okay I've avoiding bringing this up directly before because this is your forum and you can run it how you like, but the most recent thread annoyed me.

Even though telling people their opinion is wrong results in heavy slating around here, apparently anyone who thinks R=U is reasonable is completely wrong despite no concrete evidence either way.

Now although I disagree with this heavily, this isn't my issue. My issue is the manner in which threads are dealt with. The most recent thread http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showt...threadid=34972 makes a very easy to completely disprove arguement, and it was closed without allowing defence, and by announcing the genius of the writer.

Other threads I have seen end on the subject have been ended with similarly (actually more so) closed minded responses.

Now it's fair enough if we're not allowed to discuss it here, but to say our opinions are wrong with no chance to defend ourselves or admitting that we MAY be right evn if you don't think so seems severely against the ethics of this board.

[Flying Mullet]

Well I agree that it should be closed. The thread had a very "flammie" feel too it. Plus it wasn't generating any serious dicussion, only defensive remarks. If a thread doesn't start out maturely, it sure won't stay mature.

[PhoenixAsh]

Oh I think it should have been closed because R=U is banned and that thread wasn't really going to help it's cause with maturity.

My problem is the way in which threads like that are closed. The arguement put forward wasn't given a chance to be put down, it was just closed with support (no these are banned, or an attempt to make the discussion even before closing it). That arguement made no real sense, and it was just praised and closed.

Our opinions have yet to be even remotely proven wrong (honestly), and yet we are told we are so. I don't think that's how this board is meant to work (though I don't know).

Also given the thread was started by someone against R=U, I think closing it by supporting them makes it even more unfair.

[Flying Mullet]

Uness I am mistaken, I think that Gau's comment about a genius was laced with sarcasm.

[PhoenixAsh]

I thought so too, but given people thought the arguement made sense, noone had opposed it, and R=U threads have been closed like that in a serious manner, the post was open to interpretation.

Other threads have been closed like this, I'm not attacking Gau.

[Big Ogre Umaro]

C'mon, you guys have to admit though: Rinoa IS Ultimecia. I mean there's just no two ways about it.

[Citizen Bleys]

R=U threads always turn into flamefests. Always. This looks to me like the complaint you have is that the thread was closed with an argument supporting the position you're opposed to, and you're looking for a shot at arguing back.

That will lead to flaming. Can't let it happen.

[Raistlin]

I don't think Phoenix was specifically talking about the R=U theory, but about all rumors in general. Aren't all rumor threads immediately closed?

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

They are as far as I'm concerned. *bad cop*

[PhoenixAsh]

I am not looking for a chance to argue back (though I do think there should have been one). Neither am I supporting rumour threads, R=U is NOT a rumour, it's a theory and they aren't banned.

Although I have seen R=U threads become flamefests, it doesn't always happen. That's not what I'm talking about though.

I'm saying if we aren't allowed to put forward our opinion, we shouldn't be told our opinions are wrong, and certainly not when it wasn't us raising the issue.

[Raistlin]

Well, that's Phoenix's point. Not ALL rumor threads are bad, pointless spam. Many can bring about serious discussion about different perspectives and interpretations of a game.

I agree with Phoenix(if this is indeed the argument) that rumor threads should be closed if they're spammy and useless, not solely because they're rumors and therefor obviously false since everything's already fully known.

[eestlinc]

you could take your existential R=U argument into EoEo where a serious discussion can be had without fear of flaming.

[crono_logical]

No, because it'd be moved to FF8 forum for being in the wrong forum, whereupon it'd then be closed for not being allowed at these forums, because they always turn into flamefests, due to lack of solid evidence on either side and people sticking to thier own opinions too much. At least, they always used to over at these boards.

My personal opinion is people that like to analyse any game this deeply is wasting their time, it's only a game after all

[PhoenixAsh]

Actually I thought of suggesting a move to EoEO, but I guessed that would be turned down. They DON'T always turn to flame-fests though.

I could sit and defend R=U threads for ages, but there's not much point as I don't see them being brought back.

My issue is with how they are dealt with, not that they are dealt with (though I also have serious issue with that).

Plenty of theories are discussed here, and R=U is one of the most valid IMO, but it is made to sound like it's been disproven whenever someone closes a thread. I'm only asking that some respect is shown if we're going to be restricted in our freedom to express our opinion.

[Leeza]

The thing is that the thread shouldn't have been started in the first place so it's always going to look like something isn't proven whenever it gets closed.