I really dont think this is the place to be getting in an argument over this. No one can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's right or wrong, so why argue in the first place?
I really dont think this is the place to be getting in an argument over this. No one can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's right or wrong, so why argue in the first place?
*George Carlin quote*Originally posted by Tears of Stardust
In the words of Freud: sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Just to point out what MJN Seifer said in the thread he linked to; you don't kill people in the game, you KO them. Ultimecia merely knocks Rinoa unconscious in the final fight, and as such, will feel no effects, therefore ripping your theory to shreds.
And here's where I'll stay / For ten years and a day
We're on a quest to find hidden treasure / And mystery on The Wild Sea
I thought the clue to that mainly lay in everyone who gets knocked out getting up and partying AFTER the fight.
TheAbominatrix, I can only speak personally, but I don't take part in these to prove R=U correct, it can't be done. I just feel that the theory is given a huge amount of unneccessary and unfounded critiscism, I only defend it as a reasonably plausable theory.
Besides, we're trying to explain the theory to ed, wouldn't want him given false information would we?
I say what I think. If you disagree, then that is up to you.
lolz@Ed and BOU
If there's no prove, you only have theories. Theories are fun to make. And many FF's leave people with theories. These are not rumours.
I can't see why NOT R=U, by the way.
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There's evidence for and against this theory. Personally, I don't believe it, for reasons I can't be bothered explaining because I always get flamed if I dare to try.
I'd like to propose a new theory:
F=U!
That's right... Fujin is Ultimecia!
I've got evidence, too:
Both have grey hair.
Both of them speak strangely.
They've both got good reasons for disliking SeeDs.
Fujin was only too willing to go along with Seifer's scheme... why would she?
Think about it... Fujin's secret love/best friend, Seifer, was brought down by SeeD. He was ruined by that organisation. This lead to his eventual demise, which devastates Fujin. She inherits the power of a sorceress (possibly by killing Rinoa), and becomes Ultimecia. She just wants to be with Seifer, always... hence time compression, and possessing Edea and making Seifer her knight in the past.
It's all there, written between the lines... I may be onto something here!
I agree Big D, that theory is far more believable! I can't believe I didn't see it before this.
Now you got me started: :rolleyes2
I think that Bahamut could be Tiamat in the future, corrupted by Ultimecia's influence.
1) Both are dragon GF's (same design, different colors!)
2) Both use Flare attacks (Mega Flare vs. Dark Flare!).
Also it's plausible that Ultima Weapon is Omega Weapon in the future, having lost the sword and gained a lot of HP. BTW, why is Ultima Weapon carrying Cloud Strife's Ultima Weapon? Hmm....
Okay can I just point out that R=U isn't just a random theory because it works, it explains things that don't make sense without theories.
Big D I know people say it to balance it out, but I have yet to see evidence AGAINST R=U that can't be shot down within seconds. You can either believe it or not because it's just a theory, but there is nothing I've seen that actually questions it as plausable.
The only arguement I know of that does make sense is Angelo doesn't recognise her. But I personally discount this given the lack of realism or logic in most FFVIII battles, and also Rinoa may have become unrecognisable even to her dog in the long time she's been changing.
I say what I think. If you disagree, then that is up to you.
For the last time, this is not a thread for you people to yell at eachother and try to prove this theory. Go make one to do that. There's no way to prove it inconclusively, and there's always going to be someone out there to say "Hey, that's stupid and I dont believe that because..." We answered edczxcvbnm's question. Heck, close the thread.
Noone's shouted at anyone, we aren't allowed to make a thread to argue it, and noone is claiming they can prove it conclusively. Ed asked about the theory and the arguements for and against, we're simply giving them, no hostility or even much debating involved.
Why come into a peaceful thread with no argueing twice and tell people to stop?
If a mod thinks that sounded hostile I will retract it, I am merely trying to explain that we aren't argueing or being hostile and just because this is R=U it shouldn't be assumed we are.
I say what I think. If you disagree, then that is up to you.
I didnt say there was hostility, all I'm saying is that its off topic and futile. We have the facts set down now. Stop hashing them to death.
But we haven't got all the facts set down, and there hasn't been repetition. I'm personally quite interested to hear a genuine arguement against R=U other than th Angelo one. If you read ed's post it quite clearly asked for this.
I say what I think. If you disagree, then that is up to you.
*sighs* Arguing with you is like arguing to a brick wall. You're endlessly stubborn. Though the same could probably be said to me.
He asked what it was, we gave him a page of facts. You're going to continue anyway, so forget I said anything.
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